[bawolff]

Companies are always going to chase money, that is their nature. If we want to save the planet we need to make incentives aligned so companies want to do that.

Bemoaning capitalism does nothing to save the planet. The world exists as it is, not as we'd like it to be. Solutions need to work within the system, otherwise they are just a distraction.

[asadotzler]

Nah, we don't have to do shit that companies like or find aligned. We can make regulations they hate and yet they still must follow. This idea that we have to appease them into cooperation is some late stage capitalist bullshit and it's surprising to see so many on a hacker forum not just treading but defending the corporate line. Sad.

[bawolff]

Regulation is aligning incentives - companies dont want to pay a fine so they do what you want them to.

What doesn't work is setting things up so the company benefits from the thing you don't want them to do, and then being surprised when the inevitable happens.

[tw04]

I’m not bemoaning capitalism, I’m suggesting government should do their job. Which includes taking back subsidies if not punishing companies that take OUR money and then pursue actions directly contradicting what they took the money for.