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by BrendanEich 859 days ago
Punching down implies I’m up. How do you figure that? I’m not at Mozilla, not paying myself a seven figure salary, not ever engaging with the Davos set.

In any event, my comment laid out salient bits Rust history, which however much you might not like them, do not “punch” anyone.

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>How do you figure that?

You're a chief executive of a successful web technology and browser organization, while it looks as though Baker is being removed from the one you previously left.

I have no issue with the Rust facts, just that the context makes it look like you're being petty by further highlighting Baker's failure in a thread about what is effectively her removal, and I thought maybe you didn't realize that and would like to know. If you know and don't care, or disagree, then just disregard me.

>I’m not at Mozilla, not paying myself a seven figure salary, not ever engaging with the Davos set.

Mozilla's a dying organization kept on life support by Google and playing make-believe hero of the free web these days. Certainly tough to get much lower than that.

You are assuming facts not in evidence or provably false per public IRS 990 forms:

1. Mitchell was not as far as I know removed.

2. She has extracted over $20M gross pay including bonuses for the last several years. I’ll do the exact math later.

Let’s see how much her comp goes down in this year’s IRS Form 990, which will come out at the earliest in late 2025.

3. Mozilla has a ton of cash in the bank while Brave is still building a new business model. To say I’m doing better in any financial sense is cheeky. If you use Brave, thanks for your support.

Last thing: Mozilla will take years to die, and it could perdure as an NGO, even after Firefox. Don’t assume it will die quickly. We are all dying, in this world.

Tax year 2016 through 2022 IRS Form 990 gross comp for Mitchell sums to

$24,351,822

(Forms at https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200... and on Mozilla's site.)

"Punching down" is a sophomoric dunce-phrase in any event, but even with the most charitable interpretation of that phrase, it's wrong. I was not punching, nor is your asserted direction "down".

Mitchell (along with all leadership) should not be immune from criticism, even (or especially, if the leader in part caused the downfall) if you wrongly believe that they were fired, underpaid, or running a "dying" outfit -- all of which as far as I know are false.