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by tonyarkles 864 days ago
> It's not mysterious, it's that thermal convection is much stronger when the panels are vertical

I agree that, when you factor in semiconductor physics, it's not a mystery but it isn't necessarily an intuitive result for most. I've been working in aerospace for 5 years and one of the things that has been very clear to me is that peoples' intuition about things breaks down very quickly when there's non-linear factors involved in an analysis. In aero it's primarily square-law/cube-law tradeoffs; in semiconductor physics it'll be more exponential.

For this particular problem you've got an exponential (semiconductor behaviour as a function of temperature) multiplied by a trig function/dot product (cosine of the angle of the sun relative to the normal of the solar panel), with a bit of natural thermal convection thrown in for good measure. Modelling this (digital twin, as they call it) is feasible but it's not something most people are going to have a good intuition on with respect to where the sweet spot is going to be.

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The cited "digital twin" software[0] doesn't model convection (it just uses wind speed and an empirical factor), which is why it gives a higher predicted temperature than the physical model.

[0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187661021...

If you run PV/battery systems you pretty soon notice that in extreme cold events the controller can shut down charging because panel output becomes so high that the batteries will be overcharged.
The air near the top is 100% trapped, there is no way for it to escape and it's the hottest air under the panel. Overlap with the cells is anywhere from 1/2" to 1.5" so that's a sizeable fraction of the cells. Probably close to 25 to 30% or so.
The average person's intuition and 'mysterious' are two different things. One is someone with no knowledge assuming the wrong thing, the other is experts not able to figure something out.