[beeboobaa]

> I'm not buying an extra device just to compensate for shitty software, that's silly

Serious question: Then why did you buy an Apple TV? This is Apple's entire MO. You are expected to replace all your devices every year or two.

[alimbada]

> This is Apple's entire MO. You are expected to replace all your devices every year or two.

As someone who previously was an "anti-fan" of Apple's (we're talking 2000s, early 2010s) for their ridiculous prices (and that still stands for things like the Vision Pro), I've now seen the light (or gone to the dark side if you prefer) and now believe Apple provides better value for money than most of their competition due to the longevity of their devices. I know this is anecdotal and a sample size of one but I'd be curious to see data backing up your claim above.

[overstay8930]

Apple was a rip off luxury brand back in the day if you had a Samsung Fascinate or something. MacBooks were horrible and macOS was annoying to deal with. Now they're the default price/performance choice if you want a decent reliable machine, and iPhones are obviously very good value if you just want a phone that works for as long as possible.

[rijx]

Can attest to this, typing this on a 6 year old iphone 8 plus

[scarface_74]

Yes, that must be why they abandon older hardware and don’t support it long term unlike Android based boxes and built in hardware…

[mtlmtlmtlmtl]

I'm talking about the Apple TV streaming service, not the device.

[cj]

Maybe for their other product lines, but not the Apple TV. It’s infrequently updated and they easily last 5 years or more.