[symaxian]

Yeah, I cannot count how many times I've seen it claimed that the virtual DOM is the secret to why React(or another framework) is fast, completely missing the point of the virtual DOM.

The virtual DOM is not faster than performing direct mutations of the actual DOM, the virtual DOM is a tool that allows the normally slow approach of "blow away and rebuild the world" to be fast enough to put into use.

[throwaway11460]

Virtual DOM used to be faster than DOM. DOM operations were really slow back when React came out, and the usual componentization approach of replacing entire blocks of code with new HTML strings used to lock up the browser. React made it possible to effortlessly reuse previous state DOM nodes.

[Osmose]

Your second statement that the virtual DOM lets you skip unnecessary DOM mutations is true, but the first statement is inaccurate because "DOM" is not equivalent to "regenerate and replace all the DOM nodes with updated ones".

Prior to React, performant apps that weren't using frameworks that regenerated the entire DOM tree would simply manually mutate the DOM nodes based on what it was doing. If your app was loading a new comment, it would find the list of comment nodes and append a new one to it, same as a virtual DOM would.

The problem is that this could be error-prone in large apps—are you even sure that the comment list is still on the page? If it's not, do you need to add it to the page or is this a completely new view and you're reacting to a network request that finished after the user navigated away from the page? That's the kind of finnicky manual work that React helped simplify, but the performance was the same as an app manually mutating the DOM plus the extra virtual DOM comparisons.

[throwaway11460]

The usual approach used to be to simply replace entire "component" with updated HTML string returned by a function representing that component. Doing what you're saying was not feasible for large apps, that led to unmaintanable spaghetti code and never really worked correctly - imagine you need to add a feature somewhere and then you have to go into all the other components that rely on that internal structure. I am talking about CRMs and other business apps like that, not some light JS to load blog comments.

[acdha]

None of what you’re saying is globally true. It might have been true of the apps you personally worked on but it’s not the case that everyone did HTML string replacement or that using the DOM directly forced you to forget basic software engineering concepts.

[throwaway11460]

It's what was commonly done across more than 10 companies in Europe over a decade I worked in the field. Looking back at the source code of projects back then, it was the normal method.

[acdha]

So say that rather than pretending to speak for the entire web.

[Osmose]

You're right that it was difficult, that's part of why React caught on. But lots of apps did it anyway—its not as impossible as you make it seem if you take the time to write some abstractions around checking what needs to be done or centralizing all DOM operations to reduce the chance of other code modifying then. I worked on multiple complex web apps that did things like this. It's just tedious and error-prone.

[throwaway11460]

That's my whole point, though - it was tedious and error prone, so it wasn't usually done. Then React offered an easier and more performance way, that's why everybody jumped on it.

[Osmose]

If your actual point is that "The virtual DOM is faster than a slow-but-common pattern of DOM mutation" then, sure. We have different experiences in how common wiping out the entire DOM really was in apps not using frameworks but differing experiences is normal.

But in a comment thread of people saying the virtual DOM is not faster than equivalent manual DOM mutations you can understand why "The virtual DOM was faster than the DOM" got understood differently since it lacked that clarification.