[pdimitar]

(EDIT: To clarify, my comment is only a response to "not that easy to find Elixir devs for a startup")

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I don't speak for anyone except myself and a few acquaintances but I wouldn't accept an offer to work on a startup with Elixir unless we're talking at least $15,000 a month or more. And even then it depends a lot on team and company culture. I am tired of sprinting without that ever being connected to me getting extra cash or even recognition.

Elixir and Phoenix are productive as hell but they also need deliberate approach and not everything should be done quickly. Requiring me to churn out 3-5 features a week in the first 6 months is the best way for me to hand my resignation a mere two weeks after starting.

Sorry, you might not have had this in mind, I am just reacting to your text.

But rest assured, ElixirForum has quite a few people who would grab an Elixir job if given the opportunity, some for as low as $2500 a month even. And most people frequenting the forum mostly check its own Jobs section. So if you really want to widen your options, definitely make a job ad post there.

[rio517]

Isn't this concern independent of the language?

> Requiring me to churn out 3-5 features a week in the first 6 months is the best way for me to hand my resignation a mere two weeks after starting.

[pdimitar]

Actually no it isn't, I was indeed mixing Elixir and non-Elixir concerns in one comment.

[sb8244]

Did the parent comment get updated? It doesn't track to what you've put here.

[pdimitar]

No it hasn't. As I stated, I was only reacting to his "not that easy to find Elixir devs for a startup" is all.

[dalyons]

It sounds like you just dont want to work at a startup? What does that have to do with elixir?

[pdimitar]

Yes I don't want to work for a startup and I stated as much didn't I? ;)

What it has to do with Elixir is that Elixir does not scale well with a number of programmers, and many startups go through periods of explosive growth of personnel. With Elixir that very rarely works well, 99% of the time IMO it does not. Adding more people does not increase productivity, it hurts it even.

[pythonaut_16]

Do you think that’s inherent to the language, or a result of common patterns?

How do other languages, like Python, scale better to more devs, besides more devs available? All that comes to mind immediately is modules in Elixir being globally available, but I’m genuinely curios about your experiences.

[pdimitar]

It's mostly related to the fact that Elixir code is very terse and easy to understand, and that if you put 100 devs on a singular Phoenix web/API project codebase they will be stepping on each others' toes all the time so they need to kind of take turns if they don't want the codebase to become a complete mess.

Thirdly, Elixir devs are on average quite senior in general (as they are usually refugees from other stacks) which lends itself to one-man armies very well in my almost 8 years of experience working with Elixir.