[tux3]

Without trying to pin everything on the CEO, I don't think it's also fair to treat Firefox as helpless and doomed.

For another data point we can look at Thunderbird, another Mozilla project. Thunderbird had started stagnating. It was borderline abandoned for a while, until Mozilla made it official.

The community tried to catch the discarded codebase and keep it alive, Thunderbird got a new home. Remember we're talking about a desktop email client in the age where a couple major companies entirely own email, as a concept. Email _is_ Gmail and Outlook, it's not even close to a fair fight for a small third party email client to compete against that.

Nevertheless, Thunderbird is growing again.

https://fosdem.org/2024/events/attachments/fosdem-2024-2728-...

[nozzlegear]

Am I crazy, or is there no label for the Y-axis on those graphs? Do we know how much Thunderbird has actually grown?

[leipert]

Probably screenshots from here: https://stats.thunderbird.net/