[_benj]

If I dare reply your hot take with my hot take, It was engineers who implemented those dark patterns. I think that still “lots of people” see excel formulas as stuff that geniuses do, so I think it comes down to us. Will I write that privacy invading, psychologically manipulating code, or would I say no.

Sure, if I don’t do it “somebody else would”, but I wonder if that mentality has taken us here

[jokethrowaway]

If it's possible it will get done, with or without you.

This is not a technical problem, it's just the symptom of a political power.

If no one can decide for someone else, there's no political power to be acquired. Without it, there's no need to brainwash people with tv and the internet.

We need to destroy power centralisation, starting by shifting the power from the public to many businesses, and ending up with dismantling the government all together once all functions are provided by corporations and nobody holds the monopoly on stealing = taxing.

[AeroNotix]

I obviously can't speak for all engineers but I've certainly refused to work on dark patterns and explicitly told leadership why I believe they are dark patterns.

I appreciate that not everyone has that luxury and ultimately it's an empty gesture because of course at some point, someone's morals will be overcome with money, or threats but on an individual level we do have agency.