[F3nd0]

I want to feel excited for Ladybird, but it's an incredible shame that such a promising and potentially very important project has settled on a pushover licence and Discord for their communication platform. The latter especially is an antithesis of freedom and openness, which I feel ought to be valued by people celebrating Ladybird's progress.

[logicprog]

The weird thing is, a couple years ago when I contributed a little bit to Serenity OS, they were actually using an IRC channel

[ambigious7777]

I may just be being dumb here, but what is a pushover license?

[F3nd0]

A licence which grants you rights to the software, but allows you to strip them away in derivative works. This is in contrast to (for example) copyleft, which requires you to share with your users the same code and rights that you got to use, when distributing derivative works.

[SpecialistK]

Presumably a derogatory way of describing a permissive license, rather than a copyleft one.

It's a religious disagreement.

[paddim8]

They used IRC but they switched because IRC is just too inconvenient. Discord is proprietary, but it works really well for them. They chose to be pragmatic.

[F3nd0]

I get that Discord is more practical, but it is at the cost of freedom, trustworthiness and privacy. Communication platforms are the last place you should compromise on this, since your choice is directly going to affect the choices of many others.

There are tools which are much more user-friendly than IRC (and even Discord, in some aspects), such as Matrix or Zulip. They easily enough could’ve been more pragmatic picking those instead.