[mbesto]

> I know people around these parts think that Tesla has uncovered some magical factory building ability, but can you even consider the fact that maybe Toyota knows what they are doing?

Not a Tesla fanboy (I'm turning mine in for a Rivian), but the OP wasn't saying this, not sure how you got that conclusion. They are saying for a car company they are (1) way behind and (2) any investments they are making won't reach fruition for years, nor likely make a dent in the industry.

Outside of MB and the Chinese EVs, the design of Tesla motors is far superior. Their build quality and finishing is awful however - something the traditional players do really well.

[itsoktocry]

>not sure how you got that conclusion.

The OP drew a direct comparison from what Tesla spent on a plant, to what Toyota is spending on a factory. How can you draw a different conclusion? What makes Tesla "right" and Toyota "wrong"?

>They are saying for a car company they are (1) way behind and (2) any investments they are making won't reach fruition for years, nor likely make a dent in the industry.

Way behind what? The RAV4 sold more units than the Model Y last year, and that's just one model. Again, people have this weird way of extrapolating what Tesla is doing in the EV market (dominating) to the overall car market (rounding error).

[gergi137]

Nope, the Model Y was the best selling vehicle in 2023, regardless of powertrain.

https://insideevs.com/news/706169/tesla-model-y-best-selling...

[fragmede]

car, not vehicle. The best selling vehicle in the US in 2023 by a long shot is the Ford F-series truck.

Car and Driver also says the Rav4 outside the Model Y, fwiw.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

[_aavaa_]

Your article doesn't contradict their argument. Their link is for worldwide sales, yours is US only.

Further, that top spot is not for a specific Ford truck, but for all F-series trucks put together. That's an apples to oranges comparison.

[fragmede]

it doesn't. it just depends on how you slice the pie to see what you want to see.

[kbos87]

Yeah, but there are standard ways to slice the pie. An equivalent approach would be comparing multiple Ford vehicles to Tesla’s entire lineup. They are about as similar to one another as Ford’s trucks are.