[sokoloff]

> Some up front cost, but absolutely not a trade off, it was a huge advancement.

Any exchange of higher fixed costs for lower marginal costs (or other benefit) is a tradeoff.

This is a tradeoff that was/is massively beneficial, but it’s still a tradeoff.

[maxerickson]

It's not a quality trade off, which is at least implied to be what I am talking about in my comment.

Saying "Quality is always a trade-off" implies you can't actually make things better over time. I would accept something like "You can always trade off of the quality you are capable of producing to reduce costs", but the point is that capability can in fact change, and thus there are ways to improve quality that may not be a trade off (because they also improve the business/system along other dimensions). Even simple little things like aligning a process with the intended outcome can reduce costs while improving quality, you don't have to invent a revolutionary method of manufacturing.

[sokoloff]

Beyond a very early point in any engineering effort (where fruit might be not just low-hanging, but actually lying on the ground), nearly everything is a trade-off.

Those trade-offs (higher fixed costs in exchange for lower marginal costs and higher quality) can be wildly beneficial overall but finding large Pareto improvements against every dimension is rare in anything even remotely mature.