[jvmboi]

If the universe is Einsteinian, I don't think "colonizing" the stars is a thing that makes sense. We might do it once because we are sentimental like that but maybe that's owed to unique psychology owed to unique circumstances on earth.

I don't see how you could rationally justify spending this stupefying amount of resources on sending people into the void where, even if all goes well, you can barely talk to them, have no trade and no social contact with them at all.`

Basically you are paying to split off a one-way branch of the species. Just consider that if we could colonize Alpha Centauri that means that each message has a 8 year or 1/10 of a human life span roundtrip. What would you even talk about with that kind of latency?

[pie420]

Very shortminded and proto-humancentric thinking.

This is all done via AI and automated factories that terraform planets into Von Neumann manufacturing hubs, which then each send millions/billions of Von Neumann's out into the galaxy, each Von Neumann probe containing the tech/machinery to terraform another planet into another Dyson Sphere manufacturing hub. If you're really sentimental about humanity, you can include human DNA on the von neumann probess, and while the von neumann probe is terraforming a new planet, it can also grow humans in vitro.

Why would we (or our AI overlords) want to spread through the galaxy like this? Why does cancer spread through it's host? Why did europeans colonize the entire earth? Life is a virus that spreads without limit.

"I don't see how you could rationally justify spending this stupefying amount of resources on sending people into the void where, even if all goes well, you can barely talk to them, have no trade and no social contact with them at all."

Do you not understand why people invested in early merchant ships in like the 1500s? You spend a lot on a ship, send the ship to trade, and they come back with spice, that you sell at a profit, buy more ships, rinse and repeat. Same here: spend a couple quadrillion dollars, send off some von neumann probes, wait 50 million years, and then see if you've colonized a small cluster of the galaxy, or if your von neumann probe fleet was destroyed by a gamma ray burst or an uncharted supermassive black hole.

[Retric]

An immortal might justify sending automated probes to the nearest few systems to eventually collect resources and send them back to you.

But collecting resources from 10,000+ light years away just doesn’t make sense. By that point you have long since turned the local star system into a black hole via excess mass.

[jvmboi]

> proto-humancentric thinking

I think that it's actually your perspective, which I think is essentially a sci-fi perspective, is deeply human biased. You think space is cool because you evolved under an open sky that rotates to show you "the universe" roughly every 12 hours. But most stars are red dwarfs and any planet with water they have would be tidally locked. I have my doubts that sky watching is a thing on such a planet given that the flares probably mean you have to live underground. Other places never show you the sky at all. For example, any species evolved in the oceans of Enceladus would have to through hundreds of kilometers of ice before understanding that there even IS a universe. Similarly for species evolved on clouded worlds like Venus or Titan. Their mythology and psychology would not resonate with space at all. Earths moon is also quite ridiculous. We don't see anything like it anywhere else. Now, would we all be so fascinated with space if we didn't have that moon and the eclipses to go along with it? I don't think so.

> This is all done via AI and automated factories that terraform planets into Von Neumann manufacturing hubs

But it is, very obviously, not done. And this is why I call yours a "sci fi perspective" because you hand wave away huge scientific and engineering challenges that might never be overcome. We have five (5!) probes that sort of accidentally left the solar system. We have 0 probes that we deliberately sent to other stars. We have 0 AI systems that can run factories. We have 0 autonomous factories. We have never made anything that ever extracted in-situ resources to be used by itself. We have 0 self-replicating machines. We have 0 self-repairing machines. We have grown human in-vitro 0 times. We have very little technology that can even survive a hundred years.

You have to understand that when Von Neuman talks about these probes it is little more than a doodle that illustrates a neat idea. There is nothing about reality that dictates that machines like this must be possible.

> Why did Europeans colonize the entire earth?

They did? Maybe you from an alternative earth but on my earth we (humans) haven't even colonized the poles, most deserts or oceans, all of which are magnitudes more habitable then anything we see in the night sky.

> Life is a virus that spreads without limit.

Von Neumann probes are lines of pencil on paper and nerve signal in brains and nothing more. But even if they existed they wouldn't be life.

> Do you not understand why people invested in early merchant ships in like the 1500s?

Yes, YOU invest, YOU get the spices. When you send for other stars you won't get anything back in your or your children's or your grandchildren's lifetime.