[LoganDark]

I'm assuming that any future where Apple actually supports driving with the headset on would have to be a future where all the ethical and safety concerns have been worked out.

The people driving today with the headset (even for the memes) are the insane ones. It does not have the FOV for you to be fully aware of the road (I've used one in-store). I've also heard that even 12ms is apparently still too much latency for a driver to react promptly to emergencies.

[jacquesm]

> any future where Apple actually supports driving with the headset on

As another user of the road do I get a say in this as well besides Apple and the moron with their headset on?

This is one of the dumbest things that you could possibly do, a heads up display I can get behind assuming it is very much limited in how much information can be displayed but a device that utterly obscures your vision, removes your peripheral vision and replaces it with a screen that isn't necessarily pointing in the direction that your head is pointing in whilst driving a vehicle sounds like an excellent way to have a serious accident. I do hope it is a one sided one, this is Darwin award level stuff.

[LoganDark]

By "safety concerns" I do mean the existing hardware issues with the headset as well, such as the 12ms latency, bad camera quality especially at night, extremely low FOV (should be 180+ degrees at least), instant shutdown when power is removed, screens that go dark when power is removed, etc.

Your glass windshield doesn't need a source of power to stay transparent, but Vision Pro does.

I absolutely do not believe that the current iteration of the product should ever be used while operating a moving vehicle. You are right to call it dumb.

[jacquesm]

Peripheral vision extends widely outside of the angle that a typical display affords and moving your head enough to see the mirrors in the car will bring a much larger area to the left of you in view. You can't simulate that with a display in front of your head to the degree necessary that it makes up for the losses. I think this idea is a complete non-starter. Note that 'heads up' displays improve safety because you no longer have to change your focus for nearby and far while driving (dashboard dials, navigation, vs what's happening in front of you). This does the exact opposite, it removes your ability to see what is going on and then replaces that with a bunch of bits. You're a software glitch away from an accident and with all respect to my fellow software developers I don't consider any of us competent enough to get that right to the point that you can potentially unleash that onto a billion drivers and not expect utter carnage.

[LoganDark]

> You're a software glitch away from an accident

Software or hardware glitch. Or power glitch.

R1 runs an RTOS, though, passthrough continues to run even if the main processor (the M2) completely crashes. So it already seems to try to fail safe. I can't imagine that's by accident. Maybe it's not that they're going to use the Vision Pro in these situations, but that maybe they might use the R1 or a future generation of it for their self-driving cars.