If I see a photo online, I don't need to pay a license to see it, for my brain to process it.
If after I produce the same image, then yes you could argue I'm an infringing but only when I do actually produce it.
This push for licensing works for the purposes of tranining is not german to the purposes that copyright sets to achieve. It slows down progress, makes it extremely more expensive for small players to partcipate. AI tools enable way more creative expression, than the rent seeking done by descendants of authros dead for over 50 years.
Germane. And this is still a disengenuous argument wherever someone is making it. We should not defend corporate exploitation of millions of people by citing how human beings do things. Making it harder for artists to make a living by beating them over the head with their own work does not "enable way more creative expression". Writing a prompt hardly counts as "creative".
Open models exist because silicon valley corporations with massive VC funding or institutional capital like Meta and Google stole millions of works from across the internet. Abusing the reputation of open source software does not mean you had permission to use that art in your model, and it doesn't wash away the ethical stain on these models.
I'd be very surprised if they trained at all. Everything I see in the examples is easily generated from AWS / GCP / OpenAI API prompts, in other words, another wrapper in the tsunami of wrappers.
So open source models are OK? No corporation benefits from that. What about people who are learning to be artists? Should they have to license works before they observe them? They can't be incorporating elements from other artists without payingnthem, surely.
I see a lot of this knee jerk generative algorithm bad on twitter, reddit, and spaces like that. Hopefully HN can be more nuanced.
Information wants to be free. That doesn't stop being true when the information is art.
Open source models are built on VC capital and stolen labor.
Obviously your bullshit point about artists learning to be artists is bullshit. AI art models are not people. Bringing up how people learn is completely irrelevant to the regulation of these models. Artists are happy to teach other artists because it actually grows the artistic community and maintains the skills humanity needs to produce art. Obviously they feel differently when some corporate tech bro fuck who isn't part of the community extracts the value from millions of people at an industrial scale to produce a computer program to displace them and threaten their livelihoods. This is easy to understand and no amount of handwringing and anthropomorphizing will change these facts.
When we don't live under a capitalist economy, maybe we can talk about your entitlement to other people's work. Until then, professional creatives need to eat and pay rent, so fuck off.
If after I produce the same image, then yes you could argue I'm an infringing but only when I do actually produce it.
This push for licensing works for the purposes of tranining is not german to the purposes that copyright sets to achieve. It slows down progress, makes it extremely more expensive for small players to partcipate. AI tools enable way more creative expression, than the rent seeking done by descendants of authros dead for over 50 years.