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by neonsunset 871 days ago
Interesting logic.

What about Java or Go? You could say they do ignore Linux as well...on the grounds of not having nice to use first-party crossplat GUI framework that can target Linux. Where are the OracleUI or GoogleGoUI?
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pjmlp 871 days ago
AWT and Swing were there since the early days, and despite all its warts, it was Oracle that made JavaFX usable, a scripting toy in Sun days before the company went down, torpedoed by Google, which wasn't even there for the acquisition party.

JetBrains IDEs and Netbeans are powered by Swing.

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SirGiggles 871 days ago
Well Java has Swing that, iirc, works on all platforms OpenJDK runs on and Go doesn't have a sanctioned GUI in it's stdlib.
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neonsunset 871 days ago
Exactly! Somehow no one puts this against Go or a myriad of other languages where you are expected to use bindings to Qt or Gtk and yet for C# it's suddenly "akchually no support for Linux in MAUI, therefore it is second-class citizen". There are Avalonia, Uno and many other small-ish frameworks which support Linux, there are Qt and Gtk bindings, or you could go the MonoGame, Unity or Godot route instead.

Beats me how this kind of thinking works, always excuses instead of evaluating the technology on its merits and the experience it offers. Sometimes I feel like it's the community that actually hinders the transition towards more decentralized FOSS-style ecosystem (on this website it is more likely to be simply bad faith arguments).

p.s.: I'm daily driving Ghidra currently which is built with Java Swing and it looks like straight out of 90s in a bad way haha

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SirGiggles 871 days ago
I _think_ those line of responses mainly come from the belief that because .NET versions since Core 1.0 has gone cross-platform that there is some expectation that the first-party GUI solutions would apply on platforms that have official ports of the runtime; and that since Microsoft is a behemoth then surely they could do it.

On a tangent and I also don't know how others would view this, but I personally think that trivial desktop applications have or will have moved on to solutions like (but not exactly server-sided) Phoenix Liveview or Blazor Server. No real need to bother with multi-platform solutions when there's already one the end user uses daily and is battle tested. The case of applications needing the usage of a GPU likes games aside that is.

> p.s.: I'm daily driving Ghidra currently which is built with Java Swing and it looks like straight out of 90s in a bad way haha

I don't know, I have a fondness of that old ass style of GUI lol

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