[belltaco]

Just correcting people and noticing things is a persecution complex now? And nothing about all the haters of a car brand? Literally I just posted a list of URLs and stated that other car companies have had power steering problems too and it triggered a bunch of angry replies and got downvoted for listing inconvenient facts.

[clouddrover]

You're not just correcting people. You're saying things like "irrational Tesla haters" and "upvoters bring almost every negative Tesla story and hit piece on to the front page" and "you only hear about this one because it's Tesla".

That's less "noticing things" and more paranoia. And paranoia about something as trivial as a car brand. That is a significant loss of perspective.

An obvious problem with Tesla is its lack of commitment to the truth. When lying becomes standard operating procedure for a company then that company is not worth your time or money.

In 2016 Tesla claimed that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was lie: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now...

Tesla's video "demonstrating" full self-driving was staged: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-sel...

Musk's cavalcade of lies about full self-driving, year after year: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/

Tesla even feels the need to lie about something as dumb as quarter mile times for the Cybertruck. Their recent "quarter mile" video was fake. Lying is simply the company culture at Tesla:

https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYS5VWXZts

So instead of running around with paranoid fantasies that world is out to get Tesla, first ask yourself why Tesla feels the need to lie so often. Then ask yourself why it is that you have to spend so much time and effort making excuses for Tesla.

Maybe it isn't the rest of the world that's the problem. Maybe all those articles that you don't like aren't "hit pieces" after all.

Maybe the problem is Tesla.

[belltaco]

I could make a long list of 'lies' that other car companies made up with actual harms that are completely ignored and never brought up. Like the Volkswagen emissions scandal or the GM ignition scandal that resulted in deaths and criminal charges for hiding and falsifying information to the govt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2015/09/17/w...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch...

Even if what you said was true it's not okay to constantly make up misinformation about Tesla. As you listed there's enough to legitimately criticize Tesla and other automakers about, so why are people hell bent on making up things?

> So instead of running around with paranoid fantasies that world is out to get Tesla

There's a long line of shortsellers, fossil fuel and car company anti-EV lobby money in the media and just plain haters making up things, and anyone pointing out the falsehoods personally attacked.

I hate this trend of demonization of cancelling something or someone, and then falsehoods are spread and anyone pointing out the falsehoods are demonized.

[clouddrover]

> I could make a long list of 'lies' that other car companies made up with actual harms that are completely ignored and never brought up.

Ah, back to the "Tesla is just another car company like all the rest" whataboutism.

> Even if what you said was true

It is.

> it's not okay to constantly make up misinformation about Tesla

So.. it's made up misinformation that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is doing an engineering analysis of Tesla's power steering problems?

> There's a long line of shortsellers, fossil fuel and car company anti-EV lobby money in the media and just plain haters making up things, and anyone pointing out the falsehoods personally attacked.

There's that paranoia again.

[belltaco]

> It is.

Not that's your paranoia. Like how people on here said Cybertruck was scan for the preorder fees and would never ship based on similar thoughts like yours.

> So.. it's made up misinformation that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is doing an engineering analysis of Tesla's power steering problems?

When did I ever say that? I just noted that most other automakers' having similar issues and recalls don't reach the front page of HN. Ford had 68 recalls in 2023, how many reached HN's front page compared to Tesla's?

I was responding to a comment high up the page stating this:

> I've never driven a tesla.

>I've also never had my steering wheel randomly stop working in the middle of driving.

The implication is that only Teslas have power steering loss issues because the poster never had a Tesla and never had power steering losses, based on a faulty anectdotal assumption. Isn't that misleading if not misinformation?

Mazda just had a big recall for power steering loss:

> Mazda recall for power steering warning Mazda is recalling 43,752 of its 2024 CX-90 vehicles. An assembly issue with the worn gear in the steering wheel system could result in a sudden loss of power steering assist. Loss of the power steering assists while driving increases the risk of a crash, the NHSTA reports.

> Mazda owners can visit their dealers to replace the spring engaging in the worn gear. The mechanics will reapply grease to the gear teeth, which will be free of charge. All Mazda owners affected will receive a notification letter on March 18. Owners can contact the Mazda customer service at 1-800-222-5500 and press option six. Mazda's number for this recall is 6542A.

And this isn't even a software recall that is fixed with an OTA update.

Where's the coverage of that story on HN?

I responded with a list of URLs showing other car companies had similar issues and somehow everyone's super angry about me and it got downvoted as punishment for adding context and facts, and to bury it lower down the page. And all the personal attacks.

[clouddrover]

> Not that's your paranoia.

So.. your claim is that Tesla didn't lie about its Cybertruck quarter mile video? After the lie was exposed Tesla admitted that they didn't complete a quarter mile.

At this point you're not even agreeing with Tesla. These are the dead end roads paranoia leads you down.

[belltaco]

You're just putting words in my mouth now because you are completely unable to address the arguments in the rest of my post because you have to admit they're correct. You also admitted other car companies lie by saying I was resorting to whataboutism.

It's not whataboutism when someone implies power steering failures happen only with a particular car company, and someone corrects them by showing instances with other car companies. That's irrationalism.

You're not even getting paid to be anti-EV and fossil fuel lobby's volunteer PR flack and spin doctor to spend all that time and effort to demonise Tesla while completely ignoring the other car companys' faults.

If you want a career in PR then at least get paid for it. Literally promoting Volkswagen all over the place after the intentional emissions scandal ruining people's health with 5 million dying because of pollution every year, that's sad, disgusting and pathetic.