[laserlight]

> This is the real friction point, but is it a bigger friction point than having to adopt yet another DSL?

Yesterday, I created a virtualenv, then ran `pip install`, only to see it fail. I found out that even `pip --version` was failing. I discovered that running `python -m ensurepip --upgrade` would fix pip. It did fix pip, but `pip install` still didn't work properly. I figured out that pip was reporting a different version of python than the one virtualenv is using. Running `python -m pip install --upgrade pip` upgraded pip, which should have been accomplished with the previous ensurepip command. Finally, everything was working properly.

I experienced these problems after years of experience in python. To answer the question. Yes, it's worth adopting yet another DSL than using python.

[lijok]

Did you activate the virtual environment?

For all the flak python gets, dependency setup is pretty simple if you're not flailing around aimlessly

  python3.12 -m venv --copies --clear --upgrade-deps ".venv"
  source ".venv/bin/activate"
  python -m pip install --upgrade pip setuptools wheel
  python -m pip install --editable .

[laserlight]

Yes, I had activated the virtual environment. Thanks for the guide. It works without problems. I had used `virtualenv venv -p /usr/local/bin/python3.12` in my setup. Yours seems to be a better way.

[lijok]

That right there is the main problem with python dependency management - too many damn ways to do the same thing.

And to think "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it." is in the Zen of Python...