[arter4]

Exactly. This would turn a fridge into yet another thing serving ads. No thanks.

[Liftyee]

This is why we can't have nice things. Any new technology is instantly leveraged to shove ads down people's throats and get them to buy more things they don't need.

[mewpmewp2]

There would be alternative market for ads free for sure or open source alternatives where you could connect with your own selected LLMs.

[thfuran]

Like how there's an alternative market for dumb tvs, except they're more expensive and have worse screens?

[mewpmewp2]

TVs are a different type of product than a fridge though. With fridge once you have the basics covered you can be set.

[TeMPOraL]

So is the case with washing machines, but here we are.

[thfuran]

I'm not sure what you mean.

[4RealFreedom]

And major brands would force you to pay a fee to disable advertising.

[mewpmewp2]

To me paying to disable ads is a fair deal.

[thfuran]

I think that if the manufacturer is going to continue using the appliance for their own business purposes, they shouldn't be permitted to describe the transaction that causes you to possess it as a "sale", because you don't own it free and clear.

[mewpmewp2]

I don't get why it matters so much to people. It's all just incentives aligning and how the deals work. Having a subscription can actually be beneficial in terms of incentive to keep up supporting the product in my view.

If it's a huge problem psychologically for you, maybe you can just take the following 5 years or whatever time you estimate you will be using the product and calculate that into the base price to make your decision.

[thfuran]

>I don't get why it matters so much to people. It's all just incentives aligning

Adding advertising into the mix almost always makes the incentives align more poorly with the customer's interest. For example, the refrigerator manufacturer now has an incentive to increase food spoilage to increase ad conversions.

>Having a subscription can actually be beneficial in terms of incentive to keep up supporting the product in my view

So you want to pay them to show you ads in the hopes that that means they don't stop supporting your refrigerator? What does that even mean? They're not going to extend your warranty.

[TeMPOraL]

> I don't get why it matters so much to people. It's all just incentives aligning and how the deals work.

Think of it like working conditions getting increasingly poor and abusive year over year, while your salary stays fixed.

It matters not because the deals are increasingly shit and abusive, but also because them being much better is within most of our's living memories, and there's no actual reason for things to go this shit, except a supplier-driven market fucking customers over because they can, and race-to-the-bottom mechanics preventing any single vendor from reversing course.