[gfosco]

Perhaps it's time to fight over words. The definition of recall no longer works, and I believe it is constantly used specifically negatively against Tesla. It has an effect on most people, who aren't savvy, who don't read beyond the headline. (i've not participated in these alleged battles before)

[Veserv]

You are right. People seem to think a recall means “taking it in to get fixed”.

But, a recall actually means the product has a dangerous defect that requires the manufacturer to promptly fix it for free otherwise the vehicle must be removed from the road.

To better explain this we should use the term “dangerous defect” instead of “recall”.

“Teslas contain another dangerous defect - affecting 2.2 million vehicles” does sound more accurate.

[peterisza]

Porsche Taycans still have this "danGeRouS dEfEct" today, and Porsche doesn't fix them. Where's the article?

Source: https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161

Dangerous defect my ass...

[gfosco]

You think a font being a few tenths of a millimeter off spec is a "dangerous defect" ? Let me guess... not a fan of Elon.

[Veserv]

Tesla and NHTSA both agree it is a recall.

As to the definition they are agreeing on, from the NHTSA website [1]:

“Initiated safety recalls require a manufacturer's action to announce and remedy the defects.

A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards.”

Creating a unreasonable safety risk or failing to meet minimum safety standards is kind of the definition of dangerous. And there is a defect causing it. So, yes, Tesla claims it is a “dangerous defect” and I think Tesla knows more about their products being dangerous than you do.

[1] https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls

[deely3]

Yes. Unreadable font/icon is dangerous during driving.

[peterisza]

Many Ford, GM, Kia/Hyundai and Porsche cars on the road today have this exact same "dangerous" issue. Instead of recalling the cars, they filed an inconsequential non-compliance petition so that they don't have to fix it.

Only Tesla could fix it. GM, Porsche, Kia/Hyundai and Ford couldn't. Their cars remain "dAngErOUs".

Source: https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161

[bryanlarsen]

I'm not so sure it's a safety improvement, though. To make the text bigger, they got rid of the icon.

https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1753249463311691839

[bumby]

The correct term may just be "non-compliant design"

[nickthegreek]

>The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) states that a safety recall is issued if either the manufacturer or the NHTSA determines that a vehicle or its equipment pose a safety risk or do not meet motor vehicle safety standards

The NHTSA issues a recall. It is up to the car manufactures to implement a fix in whichever ways they want.

Tesla even has their own page where they list these Recalls. Tesla has no problem with the word. Elon Musk, a noted individual that likes to say it like is, has not come out against the word either. https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service

How about instead of fighting the words, you fight the car companies that refuse to use their profits to correctly follow the established safety protocols.