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by ftio 873 days ago
Christian isn’t charging enough! This could easily be $10 or more.

I still grumble every time I use the Reddit app. RIP Apollo.

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I basically just stopped using Reddit after that whole fiasco. I had already been drifting away for years. The site has changed. It was time to move on.
I still selfhost a libreddit instance for search results but no more browsing
That sounds very useful, how much space does it utilize?
Pretty much nothing. The docker image is less than 10mb and it uses barely any RAM for me, like 15 idle? I've got it running locally and can access it through tailscale everywhere. Having it open to internet is a bad idea since rate limiting becomes an issue but for a single user it's perfect.
I started using Yesterday for Old Reddit. It’s a safari extension which makes old.reddit.com very mobile friendly!
You can sideload Apollo. It's a bit sketchy, but it's been nice having it back.
Same here. Twitter as well
In general I would agree but charging $10 for something that can be shut down tomorrow just because google doesn't like it seems a bit much.
He admits it uses the official embed API, doesn't block or skip ads and generally plays nice with their systems. He's not trying to circumvent anything, he's just filling a gap left by Google themselves.

It would be quite the precedent for Google to shut someone down who is technically playing by all their rules.

(Yes I'm sure the ToS allows them to do this if they want to - but it would be a bad look).

Lots of apps block YouTube ads by default. Including Brave
I'm quite liking Winston for Reddit.

https://testflight.apple.com/join/3UF8bAUN

Seriously, what percentage of people who just spent at least $3,500 on the hardware would quibble over an extra $5 when it comes to as essential a native app as Youtube?
I didn't buy the hardware, but if I had, I would quibble over the extra $5.

No, seriously. I would.

Here's the basic problem:

* I wouldn't mind spending $10 on something which I know I'm using.

* Most apps sit on my phone unused. Most are horrible. I have no idea before I buy whether it's good or horrible for me.

* I often don't mind spending a buck or two on something to see if I'll use it. $10 is right above that threshold.

* No apps do a decent free trial. I'm busy, so one of the 30-day things doesn't work for me. I'll install it, and when / if I get around to using it, the trial is already done. My life doesn't revolve around the app. Likewise, many apps will limit functionality to where the free trial is basically an advertisement, and I don't see if it's something I'd use.

I think what would work for me (n=1) is:

* The app is free for the first 40 hours of actual use. Or perhaps some annual quota.

* Continuing using it beyond that costs e.g. $20 for something simple like a video player and e.g. $100 for something complex like a video editor.

That aligns incentives right too.

For a video player, I don't think I'd use one without the option for an ad blocker. I'm not getting Youtube Premium no matter how cheap or expensive it is, since I don't think it'd be unethical for me to do so (it's a bit of a broken social contract by Google). That's another story (and I'm not trying to push my values on anyone else).

The app is only $5.

Best case scenario: you get an app you use all the time for almost nothing and are supporting an independent developer making cool stuff.

Worst case scenario: you never use the app but supported an independent developer with a tiny donation.

The question wasn't over $5. The question was over an extra $5, for a total of $10. $5 is basically the upper bound of where I'm willing to experiment.

The question is also very much about whether I am "supporting an independent developer with a tiny donation." A lot of stuff on app stores is spammy, scammy, and I explicitly don't want to support. Our dollars determine where our resources (as a society) go. I don't mind supporting good things, even with donations. I am currently fighting a company over <$3 which they got by fraud, not because it's worth my time, but because it's my civic duty; if I don't, they'll scam another million people.

The audience are HN readers -- entrepreneurs trying to make apps. The point isn't about me as what I ought to be doing (or about convincing others to be like me). The point is to honestly give customer insight, again, with an n=1. If enough people do that, there's a sample bias, but you do get better insight than nothing.

I'm probably going to stop doing that since "customers doing what we don't like" increasingly leads to downvotes. Either I'm communicating badly, people reading are increasingly bad at reading comprehension, or some combination there-of. These posts used to be valued a few years back.

However, as much as it didn't come across, the take-home message was intended to be that if you're running an honest business, you want to (and can) charge me more if you:

1) Clearly signal you're not evil. E.g. my data is treated with respect, you won't scam me, etc.

2) Give me enough information to be able to determine it's a product I want.

That's basic transparency, and a lot of startups lose my business because they screw it up.

Well, I don't really use Youtube, so ...
Then why would you buy a $5 YouTube client?
Yes. The question I was responding to. Exactly.
Not everyone is greedy and profiteering
While not as good as Apollo the "Dystopia for reddit" (iOS) or the "Red Reader" (android) are both better than the official reddit app.
Dystopia is excellent not only because it's free but because it is great for people with poor eyesight like myself, allowing for pretty big fonts that are broken on the official iOS Reddit App. The only alternative way I've found to achieve this is to browse Reddit with Safari and use page zoom.

I'm still missing Apollo quite a lot. Narwhal2 is good and comes close but it's not exactly there.

Dystopia is indeed amazing.

The “command line” lite experience for browsing is also very good.

Yo just for this incident reddit should be fined, but not peanuts, like 10-20% their revenue. Any business that discriminates disabled people mustn't be a business IMHO

Don't worry. The EU will teach them a lesson when they're done with everyone else. Thank god we have the EU to balance US.

thanks for reminding me to double check my stylesheets for big text compatibility.
I always used to think that accessibility is for blind people, text readers and all that shit. Turns out that over the years accessibility ends up catching you one way or the other.
iOS has Narwhal 2, as well. It’s got its own subscription to defray the API costs but it’s a reasonable price.
You can sideload without jailbreak, it perfectly works!