[jamhan]

I think SuperNinKenDo is right. We are witnessing events now which are unprecedented.

For example, Australia is now at the point where we have the police force in a (once-)successful western democracy gaslighting for pro-terrorism protestors.

The NSW Police just did a press conference [1] where they said "forensic analysis has found no evidence the phrase "gas the Jews" was chanted in videos circulating online from a pro-Palestinian rally at the Sydney Opera House, despite witness statements saying it was."

They did not say who performed the forensic analysis.

If you have seen/heard the videos (the one I watched was posted on X/Twitter on the 10th October 2023), it is quite obvious that the protestors shouted "gas the Jews" multiple times and it is absolutely extraordinary that anyone would claim otherwise.

Here is another example.

On the national holiday, Australia Day, January 26th, in Melbourne, there was an "Invasion Day" rally with "thousands of Aboriginal and Palestine flags". Protestors held a large banner with the message "Kill the Australian in your head" (i.e. "kys in minecraft") and calling for destruction of the country. [2]

Read the article [3] about this incident that occurred near this protest:

An elderly couple had earlier attended the 21-gun Australia Day salute at the Shrine of Remembrance near the city centre. They wore Australian flags in their hats. After that, they found themselves near the path of the protest. A police officer approached the man and said "You are under arrest for inciting a riot".

We just had a copycat crime where teens stole cars and rammed cyclists and filmed it for TikTok [4], just like the well-publicized case from the USA last year.

Edit: Attempted honour-killings: In Adelaide, Afghan immigrants caught trying to murder a daughter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7weY0gkfA

[1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-02/nsw-police-opera-hous...

[2] https://archive.md/XBblW

[3] https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/shocked-melbourne-c...

[4] https://7news.com.au/news/teen-boys-arrested-after-cyclists-...

[lucubratory]

>If you have seen/heard the videos (the one I watched was posted on X/Twitter on the 10th October 2023), it is quite obvious that the protestors shouted "gas the Jews" multiple times and it is absolutely extraordinary that anyone would claim otherwise.

The point is that those videos were almost certainly doctored to add that audio, almost certainly by the entity that claims responsibility for promoting the video, the AJA. That chant would have been a crime in Australia, so it became a police matter, and after investigating the video they found it didn't contain evidence of that crime. There were anti-Semitic chants at that rally (which were immediately and fully condemned by the organisers of the rally, who are good people, not anti-Semitic in the slightest, and who work with Jewish people constantly in their anti-Zionist activism), but there is no evidence that the specific chant the AJA alleged and provided likely falsified footage for was one of them.

[hmcq6]

> We are witnessing events now which are unprecedented.

Racism is in no way unprecedented. How is this allowed to stay up on HN?

[exodust]

What they wrote is factual, if unrelated to main topic.

Invasion Day started small, hundreds of people opposed to Australia's national day of celebration on Jan 26. The public holiday started in 1994, so it's not that old. There is common sense and reason around changing the date. Support from the wider Australian community is usually about compassion and understanding.

But now in 2024, the sentiments of Invasion Day protests suddenly and forcefully have merged with pro-Palestinian causes. To the point the Palestinian flag took front position, ahead of the Aboriginal flag. The messages tweaked, the speakers at the events now including those who had no previous connections with Aboriginal causes, suddenly they're "brothers and sisters unified against Australia." Not only that but the "decolonising" rhetoric and hate as increased. There's an undoubtedly "extreme left" (for want of a better description) element that promotes an unprecedented violent resistance.

No wonder some notable Aboriginal people such as Nova Peris and Marcia Langton have distanced themselves and oppose the unified causes. Langton said: "there is very little comparable in our respective situations, other than our humanity". Peris said: "It is historically and morally inappropriate to raise the Palestinian cause in conjunction with 26 January."

How about children skipping school to chant Allua Akbars in the CBD and holding signs saying "resistance is not terrorism"? That happened. How about "teachers for Palestine" caught in recordings promoting pro-palestine action plans for the classroom, including mathematics classes. Yep, they are planning to bring pro palestine causes while teaching algebra. Never mind this breaches Australian Education Dept rules. The teachers openly mocked those rules on the recording.

A lot is happening lately that falls into the unprecedented zone.

[hmcq6]

> How about children skipping school to chant Allua Akbars in the CBD and holding signs saying "resistance is not terrorism"? That happened.

"Allahu Akbar" just means "god is great".

"Resistance is not terrorism" is not a threatening phrase either.

It's very clear that you are afraid (or you expect the reader to be afraid) of who is delivering the message and not the message itself.

[exodust]

The context of "resistance" is the October 7 attack.

Some activists push the idea that Islamist terrorism can be defined as "resistance" and therefore vindicated from the moral and criminal dilemma of terrorism. Most rational people will define October 7 as an extreme terrorist attack on a massive scale, because that's what it was.

Allahua Akkbar is commonly yelled by Islamist terrorists before, during and after their brutality. A fact easily verifiable from countless videos of terrorist attacks, the horrors of which are a click away if you bother looking.

In the context of October 7, non-Muslim Australian children skipping school and holding signs given to them by Socialist Alliance activist groups, is unprecedented and wrong.

> "It's very clear that you are afraid..."

Instead of addressing my points, you've taken the ad hominem road. My objection to school children chanting Islamist war cries in the streets, has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with objecting to the indoctrination of children by activist groups with loaded religious and political sentiments. Hopefully I've been very clear.

[hmcq6]

> The context of "resistance" is the October 7 attack.

Framing this as a conflict that started on Oct 7th is, again, biased. Oct 7th was a response to 70 years of war crimes committed by Israel on the Palestinian people on a near daily basis.

A conflict only possible because the US and UK decided to "give" the Jewish people a land that they (the US/UK) did not rightfully own.

> Instead of addressing my points, you've taken the ad hominem road.

> Allahua Akkbar is commonly yelled by Islamist terrorists before, during and after their brutality. A fact easily verifiable from countless videos of terrorist attacks, the horrors of which are a click away if you bother looking.

Your anecdotal experience aside, you very clearly spelled out a racist reaction. Like crossing the road when you see a black person.

You know what else is a click away? The knowledge that the Muslim god *is* the Christian god *is* the Jewish god. They're all Abrahamic religions they believe in the same god. Different prophets, different practices, same god.

So unless you're equally terrified when an American says "Bless you" when you sneeze, what you're describing is a racist reaction.

[exodust]

> Oct 7th was a response

Repugnant. I suppose you think diverting funds meant for civilians to build terror tunnels under civilian infrastructure is also a "response." Taking hostages and teaching children to be martyrs is also a "response".

Look at a map. Israel is a tiny red dot in an ocean of green. The "get off my land" argument doesn't hold up. All humans are indigenous to planet Earth. The idea is to negotiate and resolve differences, not shout God's name as you butcher young people at a music festival.

Islamist terrorists are not a "race", they are criminals who hate everything about the freedoms we take for granted. Joining any particular religion doesn't make you a different race.

False accusations of racism are no better than actual racism. You've revealed yourself as a terrorism sympathiser. You sought a post above to be censored based on nothing but your disagreement of the contents. No wonder the free speech crowd are more vocal lately. Your ideology runs counter to positive resolutions and peace. Good luck anyway, but this is where I leave this thread.

[boffinAudio]

On the flipside, Australians have fallen over themselves to serve the interests of foreign powers in countless heinous, illegal wars, flying the Nazi flag in Afghanistan, committing war crimes with impunity - for decades now.

You can't make your heinously race-baiting claims without also accounting for our disgusting, utterly repugnant participation in America's racist wars.