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by IshKebab 876 days ago
Are you really suggesting that real gang violence was caused by a novel?
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The article itself does much more than merely suggest it:

> Kubrick himself, in response to a series of murder trials where the defendants explicitly mentioned his work, requested the withdrawal of A Clockwork Orange in the United Kingdom, where it could not be seen again until the director’s death in 1999.

That's silly. Just because a murderer mentions a book about murder doesn't mean it made them into a murderer. It just means murderers like books about murder.
A Clockwork Orange has been cited in a murder case. It is not the first time[1] mentions a number of cases linked to the book or movie, including this one:

> Arguably the most notorious of all is Peter Foster, who the British press dubbed the ‘Clockwork Orange killer’.

> Foster would beat and torture women and was found guilty of murdering two of his former wives. A court heard how he would dress up as the film's protagonist, Alex, and become violent when he heard the film’s theme song.

[1] https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/a-clockwork-orange-ci...

I mean.. do you think this crazy murderer would not have murdered anyone had he not read this book? Come on.
Exactly. The guy was a violent rapist and that’s WHY he was a fan of ACO. It’s honestly mystifying to me that some people don’t intuitively follow that obvious line of logic.
There's some precedence of pop culture has influenced criminal behavior. But it's usually superficial, by groups that were already engaged in the behavior. Mafia media from The Godfather onwards were reportedly popular with the mob and maybe influenced them to imitate the fashions and manner of speaking depicted on screen (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/movies/godfather-mafia.ht...). Hong Kong Triads youth did the same after John Woo's films with the Mark Gor Lau. Wall Street, and probably other financial thrillers to The Wolf of Wall Street and further also influenced brokers' styles, and sometimes behavior (https://slate.com/culture/2007/09/how-wall-street-s-gordon-g...).

You also hear examples of "suburban father tries to make meth because of Breaking Bad" but those are one-off individuals who are probably not of sound judgment.

i think pookha is saying their reformation was possibly inspired by the book