[nunez]

ORMs are very similar to the back and forth on using ChatGPT/Copilot for coding; they definitely help make it easier to leverage a database and model data within an application, at the cost of becoming further decoupled from SQL and how the data actually lands into the database.

i personally avoid them, but i don't often write complex SQL

[OJFord]

Complex SQL is when you need to avoid them - at a certain point you hit the limit of what the ORM thought to support.