[timeon]

> doesn't matter nearly as much as most cyclists think

Weight matters also off-bike. For example if you need to carry it upstairs daily. So it can matter even for people that do not race.

[plorkyeran]

Even just loading a bike onto a car rack is a pretty big difference. I don't think I'd pay for carbon if the only benefit was it being easier to carry, but it is a pretty big benefit.

[PretzelPirate]

I used to live in a 3rd floor walk up in NYC. I appreciated my carbon bike. I even considered buying carbon wheels.