[adingus]

Safety from law breakers (speeders) is not a right in the US. 'Safety' isn't even a right. I'm not sure why you'd elevate someone's safety from a specific thing to a right yet make a person's autonomy a liberty. Also you're restricting the liberties of the driver (a specific, identifiable person in the case of non-autonomous vehicles) in favor of people who may not even exist (other drivers or pedestrians may not even be around) which seems draconian. When you pass these laws and restrictions, what are you giving up? Isn't someone's sense of self control and autonomy worth something to society?

[CalRobert]

"Isn't someone's sense of self control and autonomy..."

Indeed, it's worth a lot! Which is why I want my children to be able to walk and bike safely anywhere in the town. Or anyone else who can't, doesn't, or simply prefers not to drive, for that matter.

[adingus]

Thats great that we both agree that we want safe streets and value autonomy! Glad I could change your mind. Now let's work on incentivizing people who don't drive safely to do so without impacting the liberties of those who do.

[toomuchtodo]

It’s easier to convince voters and politicians to enact technical control mandates than to persuade the lizard brain of your average human. Is that lazy? Sure, but there is no extra credit in life for taking the hard path.

Much easier to go after politicians and say “People will keep dying if you don’t enact this policy, and we will vote you out if you don’t.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/10/magazine/dangerous-drivin... | https://archive.is/2024.01.16-150053/https://www.nytimes.com... (“Why Are American Drivers So Deadly? After decades of declining fatality rates, dangerous driving has surged again.”

> Above all, though, the problem seems to be us — the American public, the American driver. “It’s not an exaggeration to say behavior on the road today is the worst I’ve ever seen,” Capt. Michael Brown, a state police district commander in Michigan, told me. “It’s not just the volume. It’s the variety. There’s impaired driving, which constituted 40 percent of our fatalities last year. There are people going twice the legal limit on surface streets. There’s road rage,” Brown went on. “There’s impatience — right before we started talking, I got an email from a woman who was driving along in traffic and saw some guy fly by her off the roadway, on the shoulder, at 80, 90 miles an hour.” Brown stressed it was rare to receive such a message: “It’s got so bad, so extremely typical,” he said, “that people aren’t going to alert us unless it’s super egregious.”

[CalRobert]

For what it's worth I just want to let my kids run around and not get killed. Something like bloommerwede.nl would be great in the US. Cul-de-sac is getting there

[xnx]

> 'Safety' isn't even a right.

Nor is driving on public roads that have thousands of existing regulations on who, what, and how they can be driven on.