[juiceandjuice]

Except they also have confluence,crucible, and fisheye, which is very useful for my organization because we can't force everyone to be on git, and we have tons of people on subversion and cvs too, some who want to play around with mercurial and people on git too, in addition to using crowd/jira/confluence currently. No other company that I know of offers that many solutions, and it's a shame you think atlassian should only focus on jira, because everything already works together really well.

Also, Atlassian is battling github on an entirely different front using bitbucket.

[nemesisj]

You're making my point for me. It's just ridiculous that all those products exist, and now +1 more product we won't use. We use github, and yes I know not everyone uses git, but the integration there is just painful. Just to get anything working is a chore. Fisheye has become worse and worse over the years and it's easy to see why - because the company just doesn't care about taking the time to make anything work really really well.

[juiceandjuice]

Except that it works fine for my organization, and we do use all of those tools. We use jira and confluence for everything, and the majority of the users of those products aren't explicitly software developers even though most of them can code. We're going to use fisheye because it's getting ridiculous to have multiple web servers use ViewVC for CVS and Sventon for subversion and nothing for local git repositories right now.

The last organization I worked at used a combination of mediawiki, sharepoint, VersionOne, and software from Seapine (Test Track, and Surround SCM), in addition to unofficial git repos on people's machines, and Windows Active directory for LDAP stuff.

It was horrible because we had to use it.

Maybe for small organizations their products don't make much sense, but on the enterprise scale they're much better than the alternatives.