[kingkongjaffa]

This is s great point. I was already a coding with things like Visual basic and Java long before the cloud was invented so I was familiar with the idea of text files, a compilation step, and then a runnable binary (or .jar).

Places like freecodecamp and cs50x where the lessons are done in the web app or in a cloud IDE abstract the steps of setting up a dev environment on your local machine.

Its the same kind of missing link that gen Z are lacking with apps and tablets vs file browsers and terminals.

[michaelhhogue]

Yes, exactly. I think this is now the problem I’m aiming to solve. Not necessarily teaching programming, but teaching you how to how to actually use real-world tooling, real-world data-structures, and real-world design patterns.

Only concern I have is how marketable this would be. Most beginners simply don’t care about what’s outside the abstracted cloud IDE, and those who complete cs50x are probably just ready to use VSCode.