[Kim_Bruning]

I agree that there's many nice spots in NYC.

Note: The infrastructure in the Netherlands is not anti-car. It's not an xor thing!

Pedestrians, Bikes, Trains, Ships, and Cars. The Netherlands gives a lot of love to infrastructure for all modes of mobility.

[nicepplonly]

If you took the average American and airdropped them into Amsterdam with an F-150, they would probably think it's very anti-car :)

[mlrtime]

An F-150 is not a car. And while it is the most sold vehicles ever it is mostly used for work purposes.

[Kim_Bruning]

Eh, that's a pretty big vehicle. Does that still actually count as a _car_? ;-) It's fine for regular European or Japanese vehicles, of course.

But... people do drive American trucks like that out in the countryside as utility vehicles. Where there's a bit of room to maneuver, it can be done.

And of course, outside Amsterdam city center: you've got all-paved-roads even in the countryside (well maintained with few potholes), reasonable speed limits, highways that stay dry even when it rains, traffic lights that let you through the moment they see you coming (at an empty intersection at least), traffic jam detector systems, highway entrances and exits that you can take on cruise control -as opposed to trying to kill you- (I'm looking at you, Germany ;-) ), and much much more!

* ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k "The Best Country in the World for Drivers" )

* https://youtu.be/SDXB0CY2tSQ?t=437 (business parks... people in the comments were kind of riled up about this particular traffic light. Would work fine with an F150 ;-) )

[nicepplonly]

> Eh, that's a pretty big vehicle. Does that still actually count as a _car_?

The 2 best selling vehicle models in the USA are the Ford F-series and Chevy equivalent (Silverado), according to some sources[1][2]. I agree they're absurd for what are effectively overpowered wheelchairs that make you fat and reduce your IQ[3], but it is what it is.

[1]: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

[2]: https://www.edmunds.com/most-popular-cars/

[3]: https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/air-pollution-li...

[mlrtime]

You should try getting out of NYC and understand how the rest of the country actually works. Try visiting Nebraska or Ohio and learn where your food comes from. Ask one of the multi generational farmers who drive a truck and ask about their IQ.

Thoughts and posts like yours are why conservative popularity is increasing, why so hostile?

[nicepplonly]

90% of the people who salivate over these giant death machines aren't using them for hauling goods or farm work. Where I grew up, people get very excited about owning pickup trucks because they view them as status symbols (bigger is better mentality). Thankfully I escaped that terrible culture, but NYC still has too many unnecessary cars.

[mlrtime]

>90% of the people who salivate over these giant death machines aren't using them for hauling goods or farm work.

Sorry for being blunt, but where you grew up brainwashed you. Or you are young and very naive or like to speak in hyperbole.

The most sold vehicle in the US is being used for work purposes and has been since the truck was invented. There are many people that drive trucks outside of work, but you are very misinformed.

I lived in NYC for 20+ years without a car. On a hot summer night walking close to Holland tunnel brought rage to me as well. Hopefully the much needed congestion pricing will help.