[michaelt]

Restricted keyways try to protect against the following threats:

* Unauthorised key duplication. Think of a college dorm where residents all have keys, but you don't want them making copies, and keeping access to the dorm after they move out. So they use a design that most locksmiths don't have key blanks for.

* Basic keyholders getting masterkeys by taking locks apart. Think of a college dorm where they want every resident to be able to open the front door, but not each others' dorm rooms, and they want the fire department to have one key that will work for all the rooms. Because of the way masterkey systems work, a resident can take the lock off their dorm room door, measure some internal components, and figure out the cuts on the fire department master key. Restricted key blanks make this a lot harder.

Of course, this doesn't provide perfect security. Restricted keyways don't protect against someone with a CNC milling machine, or someone with a set of files and a lot of patience, or someone willing to break a window.

Modern buildings rarely install new masterkey systems these days - electronic locks are a much better system.

[aidenn0]

> * Basic keyholders getting masterkeys by taking locks apart. Think of a college dorm where they want every resident to be able to open the front door, but not each others' dorm rooms, and they want the fire department to have one key that will work for all the rooms. Because of the way masterkey systems work, a resident can take the lock off their dorm room door, measure some internal components, and figure out the cuts on the fire department master key. Restricted key blanks make this a lot harder.

You can actually do it without disassembling the lock with N+1 keyblanks (where the lock has N pins).

Master keys work by having two[1] setpoints for each pin. So you copy your key N times, leaving a different pin uncut in each copy. Then just slowly file down the key until it unlocks. It will unlock in the pin-set position for your key and the pin-set position for the master key. This allows decoding the master key position for a single pin.

Finally, copy the master-key positions onto the last keyblank.

Basically it lets you turn a M^N problem (M positions, N pins) into a MN problem.

1: Assuming the non-master keys are random, there's a chance the two setpoints will be the same on any given pin/lock.

[samstave]

Here is a video I made some years ago picking locks for Handguns... with a spinning keyway useless cover...

You can see that some manufacturers obviously take these items as a joke and its weird that something like these keyway spinner things subconsciously add a tiny thought of more security - when it may as well have been made of paper mache.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3I6lbpF68Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3I6lbpF68Q

Would love to get /u/LockPickingLawyer's opinion on this article.

[aidenn0]

Gun locks are notoriously easy to pick. I think the threat model for them is "A toddler found your gun" more than anything else.

[wildzzz]

Trigger locks and pistol lockboxes are really just to prevent someone from playing with your guns. A trigger lock obviously isn't going to prevent theft and pistol lockboxes can just be carried away. Although I have seen videos of a toddler dropping a pistol lock box and it pops right open. Maybe at least mount them? A real gun safe is used to actually prevent theft when properly secured to the floor. Although the bypass keys on many safes are not terribly secure. They can be picked or impressioned with the right tools. Although the chance that the burglar actually having the right tools on them might not be very high. A few months ago, I saw a neighbor receiving their new long gun safe. I saw the model name and looked it up to see that it uses a lever lock for the bypass. You can buy very simple impression tools for this kind of lock that will open it up in about 30-60 seconds. Given that it takes at least a few minutes for police to respond to an alarm, two guys can easily search a house, find the safe, pick the bypass lock, throw all the guns in a duffel and be gone before police show up. If I had the same safe, I'd put a small piece of tape over the keyway and JB weld a piece of tool steel over it. If I lose my key, I can certainly wait a bit to drill out a new keyway, not so much for a burglar. Although it would probably be rare for a potential burglar to see a gun safe getting delivered, it would offer so much information on what valuables are inside a house and how to steal it.

A lock is only as weak as an adversary is determined.

[scarby2]

absolutely, if you want to secure your gun against a determined thief then you put it in a safe.

Toddler/Child/Idiot friend is a significantly more likely to shoot you/someone you care about.