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by red_admiral 878 days ago
There's "natural" hazards and human-induced ones. One paragraph of the article mentions parents in a poor neighbourhood not letting their kids play outside due to "discarded needles, homeless people sleeping in parks, and proximity to the sex trade and drug users". If that's the kind of world outside your apartment block, it might be a reasonable choice to stay indoors. If it's a woodland where kids might slip and fall of a log they're balancing on, that's a different matter.

The use of "risk" here is not the one I'm used to; the way pretty much everyone in risk management uses it is the product of likelihood and severity. I understand that they need different words for "hazard a child can deal with" and "hazard a child can't deal with", but the work "risk" is already taken.

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> One paragraph of the article mentions parents in a poor neighbourhood not letting their kids play outside due to "discarded needles, homeless people sleeping in parks, and proximity to the sex trade and drug users".

I lived in a very nice neighborhood in a large East Coast US city, and all but the "sex trade" where things my child was exposed to daily. Hiding my child from them or not letting him walk to school with a friend because of them didn't feel particularly useful, so learning how to navigate that environment was the approach we took.

How is proximity to homeless people sleeping in parks and sex workers a problem for kids?
> How is proximity to homeless people sleeping in parks and sex workers a problem for kids?

Is there a name for this type of question, which is framed in such an ingenuous way that almost any reasonable answer to it will make that person seem like an intolerant and uptight monster who doesn't tolerate their small kids playing around sex-workers giving a punter a handjob in the bushes?

Following Hanlon's razor, it's probably just a genuine lack of imagination. Grand parent poster might have only lived in areas where homeless people and sex workers were quiet and nonthreatening, so they can't imagine an area where violent incidents involving these populations are frequent. Obviously context matters and any argument without concrete examples is futile.
Yeah, this. Where I live, sex workers don't give handjobs out in the public (as far as I am aware). And homeless people are often friendly and helpful to kids.
Where is this mythical place? You replied to a comment with "discarded needles, homeless people sleeping in parks, and proximity to the sex trade and drug users"

This presumes that this is all happening out on the streets, not in some specialized area where sex workers are in the privacy of their home/business.

I challenge any sane place that allows homeless to sleep in kids parks as a safe place to live.

I haven't lived _everywhere_, but I can personally attest that is definitely not true in SF, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly, NYC, Seattle, or Raleigh.

I have never lived in a city where the argument you're attempting could be made in good faith.

> ...And homeless people are often friendly and helpful to kids.

OK now I get it. Virtue signalling.

LOL. Great novelty account. Fine trolling.
You could have checked the age of my account. Lazy accusation... Why would homeless people not be friendly to kids? They have nothing to fear from them and they can not really use them to extract something they want. Homeless people are humans too who like to feel joy. Kids can bring joy. So I have genuinely seen multiple homeless people being nice to kids.

Maybe we have a different environment imagined. I was talking about rather rich central Europe, where you never really see more than 5 homeless people at once. Sex workers on the street are limited to certain areas and times of day. Outside these times they can only meet customers inside. So kids living in areas nearby are normally not influenced by sex work.

Sorry if you feel trolled, but it seems I couldn't imagine what a shithole you guys seem to be living in.

>>Is there a name for this type of question,

Yes, it is called trolling - please don't feed the trolls.

I don't think it's mere proximity, but any unsupervised interaction with untrusted adults is a problem for children.

A child playing football could readily disturb a sleeping homeless person or upset the commerce between sex workers & their clients.

Neither interaction would be pleasant for a child - and both could easily become unsafe.