[FireBeyond]

From Lord of War:

> Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters.

[eastbound]

The lib’dems in Europe are anything but liberal or democratic.

Liberal means less intervention from the state, it has literally changed its meaning to soft-socialism.

Democratic is not when you’re elected as part of Boris Johnson on a program to leave the EU, and 16% of elected MPs left his party after the vote and rejoined the Libdems (withouth giving a choice to electors, nor resigning as MP) to fight to stay in EU, coining the phrase “What voters really meant was stay in the EU with conditions.”

I focussed on England, but lib’dems in every EU country have the same betrayal.

[bemusedthrow75]

Eh?

This didn’t happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_British_politi...

I think what you are referring to is the tory MPs who defied the government and voted with the opposition on a single vote.

At that time literally one of them permanently defected, very visibly crossing the floor. Many of the rest were booted out of the parliamentary party by Boris, only to be readmitted later (including my MP, who I do not vote for).

There were two or three who joined minor parties, and a handful ended up in the Lib Dems afterwards, but there was never a mass defection to the lib dems, who only have 15 MPs now; 15% of the 2019 Tories would be over 50.

Either way I think your summary misunderstands the reasons all of that happened, and the principles behind it.

[blitzar]

The conservatives are the one true exception these rules. Its right there in the first 3 letters of their party name.