[Rebelgecko]

I have mixed feelings. I bought mine hoping Framework would improve the SW (especially firmware and drivers) over time but that hasn't been the case.

My 12th gen has issues with abysmal battery life while sleeping (not just the regular Intel 12th gen sleep complaints, but batt life varies greatly depending on which expansion cards you have on the laptop while sleeping eg USB-A vs -C). Framework has been beta testing a FW update to partially improve this since 2022 and last I checked the beta still had side effects like bricking the left USB-C ports under certain conditions.

Even though Fedora is (afaict?) the best supposed Linux distro, there's still known issues that have persisted for years like the brightness keys not working (there's technically a workaround but it breaks a different feature that I would like to use)

If the laptop as it is today meets your needs, go for it... but one shouldn't buy it assuming that known issues will be fixed later on.

[starkparker]

> Even though Fedora is (afaict?) the best supposed Linux distro

As someone who had a 12th-gen mainboard and upgraded to an AMD board, and assuming you meant "supported" here, the rest of the points here are fine but this one rather explicitly is off. Ubuntu is the primary supported distro across the board: https://frame.work/linux

Fedora was recommended for AMD mainboards when Framework started shipping them, because Fedora ships newer kernels sooner, which got upstream AMD compatibility fixes out faster, which meant Fedora users could install Framework's firmware, driver, and BIOS updates sooner with fewer workarounds.

When Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS shipped a 6.2 kernel in August, it went back in front across mainboards.

[zamadatix]

There isn't really anything on that page says Ubuntu is the primary supported distro and Fedora isn't. They seem to both be equally supported with no preference according to both the listings and the wording on the page.

[Bombinator]

Click on + for Fedora and Ubuntu and check "Stability"

[Rebelgecko]

Where does it say Ubuntu is preferred? When I got laptop (verified w/archive.org) the list even explicitly ranked Fedora above Ubuntu wrt ease of use

[mespe]

Typing this on 12th gen running Fedora, and I have none of the issues you describe. I've been daily driving this laptop for 2 years, and my only complaint is the mediocre battery life (I get 5-6 hours with mixed use and around 50% display brightness).

I did switch from the glossy to matte display, which was a massive improvement for use on the go.

[Rebelgecko]

If you don't mind sharing, what modules do you have plugged in and how much battery do you lose if you don't touch the laptop for 2-3 days?

[jakamau]

I have a similar usage pattern where there might be days at a time where I don't boot up my personal laptop. With an 11th Gen and Fedora I set it up with a swap partition and force it to hibernate after 30 minutes. So far it's worked well.

It can take 10-20 seconds to boot up but battery drain while not is use has dropped to maybe 2% for any extended periods of non-use. As an 11th gen user, it exacerbates the CMOS problem I mentioned earlier but that hopefully shouldn't be an issue with the 12th gen mainboards.

This is a guide I've seen recommended: https://community.frame.work/t/guide-fedora-36-hibernation-w...

Hope that helps.

[mespe]

I have 2x USB-C, 1X USB-A, and HDMI plugged in.

To be perfectly honest, I don't really know how much battery I would lose - the laptop is rarely untouched for more than a day or so and in the rare situations when it has been, it has been either completely powered off or left plugged in. I don't know if it's ever been in a situation where it was left in a sleep-state for multiple days.

[abrouwers]

My brightness keys started working recently, without any work arounds. Are you on an up to date fedora 39?