[talkingtab]

This is an example of the incredible arrogance of companies like Apple, Amazon, Google, Microsoft and Facebook. They have the ability to pour an enormous amount of money into lawyers and lobbying so that even companies like Epic or countries like the Netherlands have little chance of controlling misbehavior. Even the IRS is having a hard time getting Microsoft to pay their 28 BILLION dollar tax bill.

It should be clear that this is not a developer issue. These companies have complete contempt for their customers. It is not the developer who pays Apple, it is you.

At some point, customers will find a way to return that contempt.

[threeseed]

You're simply wrong. And every court and government around the world agrees.

Companies have a right to charge a fee for using their platform.

Apple can not be forced to give you their SDKs, Services etc for free and help you sell that product on their marketplace for free. They have a right to charge something. You can rightfully argue that the 27% is way too high and courts have agreed. But those like Epic hypocritically arguing for 0% no one agrees with.

[HDThoreaun]

You have a right to compete in a fair market, in the us at least. Apple has a monopoly on app delivery to everyone who has an iPhone, clearly their practices are anti competitive. It does not matter that judges disagree, all that means is that the current laws are deficient.

[threeseed]

App Store is not a market and never has been.

So the concept of monopolies and anti-competitive behaviour don't apply.

It's why the courts treated Google differently in their Epic case to Apple.

[ehaliewicz2]

This seems just completely false to me. People are exchanging currency for goods on the App store. Can you explain how that isn't a market?

[lxgr]

There is no doubt at all that both are markets. The only question is whether it’s in the public interest and compatible with the law to regulate them, and courts and governments around the world are figuring that out right now.

Why the courts ruled differently for Google was that they had different deals for different participants in it, while Apple has a uniformly expensive deal for everybody.

[HDThoreaun]

How is the app store not a market?

[jayski]

> Apple can not be forced to give you their SDKs, Services etc for free and help you sell that product on their marketplace for free.

The argument is we wouldn't need their marketplace and services if they allowed users to easily download and install software downloaded from regular websites.

you know... the way it always worked and still works in Linux/BSD.

There are obviously security implications to this, but I believe if I own the device I should be able to take the risk.

As far as their SDKs they actually do need to provide those for free, otherwise nobody will develop software for iOS and they won't be able to sell devices.

[AnonC]

> As far as their SDKs they actually do need to provide those for free, otherwise nobody will develop software for iOS and they won't be able to sell devices.

It currently doesn’t work like that. To develop and distribute apps, even free apps, a developer membership costing US $99 a year is necessary. Yet there are plenty of free apps without in app purchases or external subscriptions or payments.

[lxgr]

EU regulators don’t agree.

[malshe]

I am not a developer, I am a consumer. I can tell you I trust Apple way more than any developer. So the premium I pay to Apple is for the low risk as a consumer.

[redeeman]

by purchasing the new iphone, and calling on apple to not allow third party stores, because they know they cannot say no to installing facebook, and IF thirdparty stores or sideloading were to be allowed, facebook might just get worse!

(all this seen in comments in other threads on hn)

[heavyset_go]

This is also known as the "B-but Facebook!" scare tactic.

[kj99]

By people who don't have a counterargument, maybe.