[piloto_ciego]

This isn’t that crazy of a clearance - you just have to stop, write it down and take it slow. They’re going to fast.

For weird stuff like this I’d always draw it out.

“Ok runway heading until I pass the diamond shaped waterway, then right turn to heading 120. Keep it tight.

Now thinking about altitude, 1100 or less but VFR until OAK-165R, then 2100, expect 350 in 5.

Finally, 135.65 and 6320.”

Then sit for a second and brief it, it’s not crazy. Those guys are just going to fast and they’re a little behind. But “draw it out” on a piece of paper is such an easy way to to handle these sort of situations.

When stuff like this came up, I did not give a shit about ATC flow control or whatever - if I need 30 seconds of delay to understand the clearance they can wait. Its more important that we get it right than push out 1 extra airplane but do it incorrectly and make a big mess of things.

[bombcar]

Also, most of that should be “expected” even if it is an unfamiliar airport, because you did a flight plan and checked out the airport ahead of time, normal approaches and normal pattern.

All that information is available in the airport sheets.

And yes, you need to be willing to say “repeat”.

[piloto_ciego]

Yup - “all available information” is the requirement. But I’d be lying if I said I never got surprised - like, you look at the departure, you read it and understand it, then ATC gives you some crazy nonsense. Still? I ain’t paying by the word - it needs to be done right, not fast, so you make sure understand exactly or you don’t go.