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by thrwayaistartup 890 days ago
And NYT is suing OAI/MS. Two wrongs don't make a right... or maybe they do, but that doesn't immunize you from legal fees or a botched exit :)
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If NYT wins that will sink probably every LLM model out there
Considering all the open models that already exist and are yet to be created before all the rulings and appeals are done, that toothpaste ain't going back in the tube.
...I think you missed the point. OAI/MS can sue the author or at least cut off API access. If that happens, the fact that OAI is under fire from NYT doesn't somehow obviate the author's need to cover some massive legal bills for the foreseeable future.

The NYT case could take years. In the meantime OAI could choose to go after ToS violators.

The legal system can accommodate more than one unresolved court case at a time. We don't like put a semaphore on related cases or anything like that. (Or, sometimes we do, but guess who you need to hire for many many billable hours to make that happen in your case?).

So, the legal system can accommodate the NYT case against OAI and an OAI case against the author. The operative question is: can the author's pocketbook also accommodate?

(Or, more to the point, can the author accommodate losing access to gpt4? What happens when he wants to launch a new feature or pivot to a new product?)

Then they cut off the API Process and I just make a new account. Who cares? I doubt they would sue, because the Risk of Loosing would give a precedent. It's much easier and cheaper to scare people away from doing this and writing mean letters. Those ToS would also probably be unenforceable in many countries outside the US beyond terminating an account
I agree on both points. Was just engaging with the legal aspect because that's what this thread was about. But now we've converged to the actual reason the author should probably care: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39049622

If you never want an exit then probably doesn't matter.

Nah, if it ever starts to look like NYT might win, MSFT will just do a hostile takeover.

Market cap of NYTimes is 8B, OpenAI is 80B, MSFT is 2.7T, you do the math.

You can't just hostile takeover the NYT. The Salzberger family, who have run it for generations, have a dual class structure and a pretty classic setup to keep control.