[snapcaster]

That was the most thorough stackexchange answer i've ever read. Thanks for the entertainment

[altun]

There is a proverb in Turkish that means “One madman (ein Chinese) threw a stone into a well, forty wise men couldn't get it out.” This discussion is a bit like that.

Turkish proverb: "Bir deli bir kuyuya taş atmış, kırk akıllı çıkaramamış."