[CalRobert]

I love remote work but I don't know if I'd call it morally evil to have people on site. There's something to be said for being in the same physical space as your peers and the social bonds that form, etc.

But the only way I commute now is by train and/or bike, most commutes to some godawful office park hellscape in San Jose are agony.

[HPsquared]

"Net negative" is a more neutral way to put it. The way it's stated, if there is no productivity benefit and the employee doesn't like going to the office, then it's a loss for the employee and no gain for the employer. Overall a net loss in utility, no weightings needed in that example.

[Workaccount2]

I see stories of people who have worked remote at a company for a year or so, and still have yet to see the faces of any of their coworkers. I get that dev work has a disproportionate amount of basement dwellers, but man, that is still so crazy to me.

[potta_coffee]

I haven't met a single one of my coworkers. About 4 of them are scattered around the US, the rest are in Europe, India and Southeast Asia.

[CalRobert]

For what it's worth I can have interesting, fulfilling relationships and friendships with people I only know online, both in and out of a work setting. But it is fun to hang out in person.

[geraldhh]

> There's something to be said for being in the same physical space as your peers and the social bonds that form

indeed it seems that effective remote only work requires a more coherent team or more formalized processes.