[gumballindie]

Am I the only one that loves a blunt and honest comment?

Funny how advocates against property rights have no issue with corporations protecting their own. That’s fine. What they want is to legally steal from the average joe.

[echelon]

Are you stealing from your lord, serf? Perhaps you should be churning the butter, not thinking for yourself. (I kid, I kid!)

It's going to be just as easy to make a movie or a song as it was to write this comment. I'm working and researching at the edge, and I promise you that the entire world will be in awe of these next 12 months. Go play with Suno for a taste.

I'm a senior engineer, and now I'm tab completing Rust code 70% of the time. It's hard to believe we've come this far, and it's only going to keep climbing in capability.

You're watching breakneck progress, and the genie isn't going back.

More art will be created per month than the entire human history to this point. Gen alpha is growing up on this stuff and using it to great effect to communicate amongst their peers. The things they build will be incredible.

[arrosenberg]

> It's hard to believe we've come this far, and it's only going to keep climbing in capability.

Or we hit the top of the sigmoid curve and just have fancy autocomplete.

[SpicyLemonZest]

I don't understand why the autocomplete meme is so compelling to people. How is drawing a picture, which modern AI systems are already capable of, "autocomplete"?

[arrosenberg]

(1) I was responding to the actual thing OP said (70% code completion in Rust).

(2) It literally is autocompleting - it draws each pixel because it statistically determines that <some color value> is the best fit given the prompt and the prior pixels it drew. It's a more advanced robot, but it's still a robot.

[gumballindie]

AI systems are not “drawing a picture”. They procedurally generate output given vast amounts of input, much of which has been stolen. Without it there would be no credible output. I dont understand why are ai cultists hell bent on theft.

Llama, ollama, etc are not the issue here. Nor is ai. The issue is theft for training.

[echelon]

If it's theft, then your brain belongs to Disney and you need to start forking over your salary. Your connectome is littered with their platitudes.

This is the same argument the horse people had about the cars taking over the streets. In the end, progress will win.

Do we really want people spending hours and hours practicing and performing legacy acts of creation, with some people never able to summon the opportunity cost to even begin? For people to endlessly labor over creating a small amount of unrepeatable output?

Or do we want a world where everybody on the planet is able to turn their thoughts into something visible and tangible quickly? For society as a whole to have orders of magnitude bigger and better works?

This is a horse to car moment, but for thought itself.

[Intralexical]

> If it's theft, then your brain belongs to Disney and you need to start forking over your salary. Your connectome is littered with their platitudes.

I think it's quite telling that sooner or later, every discussion about "AI" and copyright ends up equating people to statistical models controlled by predatory megacorporations.

My connectome, in the eyes of the law, has a special legal status which is not shared by inanimate and non-sentient objects. In fact, some would argue that the entire point of the law should be to protect the special legal status of my connectome from those that would draw an equivalence between people and property.

[emporas]

The parent makes the mistake, to assume an adversarial relationship between an mp3 download from a torrent and the musician. Or an adversarial relationship between training an A.I. statistical engine to a painter and reproducing the style.

That's not correct. We are now increasing the capabilities of everyone creative, to achieve much more, almost free and instantly. The painter now, will have a 100 million film studio on his fingertips to create movies. The musician will be able make a high quality album, just from his snoring.

One usual misconception is that talent is not important anymore. That's certainly not true. Talent is not going anywhere. People not so talented can get some results which are ok or good enough, but talented people can create magnificent art, without even trying.

Also "tab completing Rust code 70% of the time" is breadcrumbs. I am working in making, Rust specifically, 100% code generated.

[gumballindie]

> I am working in making, Rust specifically, 100% code generated.

Generating code is trivial. Generating code that works is not. I suspect you are at around 10-15% of reaching that. All models out there are probably at 2-3% as they barely equal a google prompt in reliability.

[emporas]

Generating code that works, 100% percent computer-generated, i have already done that. I created a notification service for HN [1]. In the repo i have the ChatGPT conversation.

I don't put it to work for the moment, cause i am trying to create a TUI for HN, or a TUI forum more generally, like HN, maybe even backed by version control like Pijul instead of a database. 100% computer generated obviously, that goes without saying.

My biggest problem so far, is that GPT doesn't write idiomatic Rust. The code it generates is very C or Pythonic, and i am trying to figure out a way to guide it, to write beautiful code, instead of just correct code. When the machine generates just correct code, it doesn't cut it for me, is what i am saying. I am reading "Command Line Rust" to get a sense of idiomatic Rust, and then i have to study github projects as well to really figure out how beautiful idiomatic Rust code really is structured and written. Like, i know what idiomatic Rust is, just not that well at the moment.

The tool i want to create, to use GPT instead of Copilot, is something like Aider [1] but not in Python and maybe a TUI.

https://github.com/paul-gauthier/aider [1] https://github.com/pramatias/hnotify

[tester457]

> I promise you that the entire world will be in awe of these next 12 months

People were saying the same thing 12 months ago.

[kiba]

It is well understood that laws are man made construct enforced at the point of violence?

[pcthrowaway]

> Funny how advocates against property rights have no issue with corporations protecting their own

Are you just not aware that the most outspoken advocates against private property (and rights to it, including IP/copyright), also strongly oppose capitalism and the idea of corporations?

[gumballindie]

The movement against ip has been hijacked by those who wish to exploit creators. People advocating for the abolition of property are useful idiots. Corporations know that the biggest threat of ip is to them not to us. By being able to protect what’s ours means we can leverage the vast knowledge we’ve created by building open source models that make services provided by many knowledge corporations redundant. Ironically the only way to abolish ip according to our terms is by not abolishing ip. We can leverage it to explicitly prevent corporations from using open licensed code unless they too open their models. That’s the idea.

However, I am strongly against using artist or writer work against their will. That also benefits corporations. Also ironic that we can use against them the play they used against us. Imagine open models that the artist or legal or writing community can use but not corporations unless they open their models.