[ramrunner0xff]

https://veilid.com/ should also be a great alternative. i haven't had time to use it yet, but it was built to address performance issues with ipfs and allow for both dht style content discovery, but also for direct websocket connections for streaming (and doing that in an anonymous fashion)

[rklaehn]

This looks very interesting. They made very similar choices than we (iroh) did. Rust, ed keys, blake3.

They seem to do their own streams, while we are adapting QUIC to a more p2p approach. Also the holepunching approach seems to be different. But I would love to get more details.

[ramrunner0xff]

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Kb1lKscAMDQ

this was the presentation at DC'31. i will also check out iroh! thanks for working in building something in this space, it is much much needed!

[rklaehn]

Thanks. This is awesome. I think they are doing more work themselves in terms of crypto, whereas we rely on QUIC+TLS more.

Regarding holepunching, our approach is a bit less pure p2p, but has quite good success rates. We copy the DERP protocol from tailscale.

I am confident that we have a better story regarding handling of large blobs. We don't just use blake3, but blake3 verified streaming to allow for range requests.

Also I wrote my own rust library for blake3 verified streaming that reduces the overhead of the verification data. https://crates.io/crates/bao-tree

I tried to get on their discord at https://veilid.com/discord, but I get an invalid invite. You know a better way to get in touch?

[ramrunner0xff]

hmm this is strange, i tried the invite and it worked for me. If you are on fedi, @[e-mail] is part of the team.

thanks for the links, i will get in touch personally when i try ir0h :)