[rvnx]

It's maybe also that US population tends to underestimate how other people are smart (US-centrism really does exist).

Chinese people are very smart, and there is technically more of them, so I am not surprised that they are releasing amazing open models.

China has no problems to push their own models for free, and this is a real strategic advantage.

These models are aligned with Chinese values, but well, American models are aligned with American beliefs and values as well, right ?

[jacquesm]

> It's maybe also that US population tends to underestimate how other people are smart (US-centrism really does exist).

They do.

> Chinese people are very smart, and there is technically more of them, so I am not surprised that they are releasing amazing open models.

They also have an educational system that wastes less talent and have fewer - if any - roadblocks to the will of the party bosses. In a war a dictatorship can move in ways that a democracy is ill equipped to follow simply because there is no dissent. That's why it took half the world to take on three relatively little countries in WWII.

> China has no problems to push their own models for free, and this is a real strategic advantage.

It is, but I for one wouldn't use them.

> These models are aligned with Chinese values, but well, American models are aligned with American beliefs and values as well, right ?

Yes, but I'm far less concerned with the present day models than I am with the advent of AGI which is what OpenAI and various international competitors are aiming for and if one shows it can be done before you can blink this crap will be all over the world. After that point all bets are off.

[moi2388]

The biggest problem won’t be AGI. It will be the thousands of shitty AI and ML models which predict things with 99.9% accuracy, meaning people (read judges etc) assume it’s 100% accurate regardless of how often it gets used.

Look at the Postmaster General scandal in the UK. Now imagine that in all systems, because AI in inherently statistical in nature.

[jacquesm]

You don't need AGI to be able to implement abusive policies. But it definitely helps if you want to be able to do it at a scale humanity is not in a position to cope with. Stable dictatorships are a very likely outcome of such technology. Also in places where we currently do not have dictatorships.

[ChatGTP]

Which human is 99.9% accurate most of the time? What's the difference here?

[moi2388]

None. So we inherently distrust their testimony.

But now take a system that works in 99% of cases, and that system said you are guilty.

I guarantee most judges will find this enough evidence to convict. Look at the post master scandal.

They won’t even audit the systems.

[mikrotikker]

> They also have an educational system that wastes less talent and have fewer - if any - roadblocks to the will of the party bosses. In a war a dictatorship can move in ways that a democracy is ill equipped to follow simply because there is no dissent. That's why it took half the world to take on three relatively little countries in WWII

That last part is really scary. I wanted to add that their tiktok algorithmically encourages young people to achieve and push themselves where our tiktok algorithmically encourages young people to do stupid or whoreish stuff for likes.