[FireBeyond]

I just think it is entirely unimpressive. "Remote hands" robots, even with pretty fine-grained dexterity, are not at all uncommon in a huge variety of industries. There's zero autonomy here.

Fool me once, shame on you. I'm still waiting for 2015's "solved problem" of FSD (Musk: "I view it as a solved problem. We know exactly what we need to do and we will be there in a few years.") - though in "fairness" to Musk, apparently somewhere in the last few years, Tesla must have "lost" the solution. In 2022, "Our focus now is just on working on solving this problem".

[nomel]

> I just think it is entirely unimpressive.

What's your baseline? Just the fully custom actuation alone is impressive, to me, Especially so for the rates of progression, like, compared to Boston dynamics.

[iancmceachern]

Intuitive's Da Vinci has been doing it commercially for 20 years....in surgury

[nomel]

Please don't mistake progression for completion.

And, I don't think comparing the two is logical, for price (Da Vinci is $2,000,000), end goal (the 500kg Da Vinci will never walk across the room and pick up a box), or even degrees of freedom.

[FireBeyond]

> And, I don't think comparing the two is logical, for price (Da Vinci is $2,000,000)

What's the over-under on the $35K CyberTruck ever making it to market, instead of vague handwaving "sometime towards the end of 2025, maybe"?

[angoragoats]

You must have missed the memo that the $35k Cybertruck is now the $60,990 Cybertruck (this is the standard-range, available in 2025 model). You will never be able to buy one new from Tesla for anywhere close to $35k, and the fact that they announced the price as $35k _and took customer money_ based on that should, IMHO, result in financial penalties and jail time for the executives involved.

[nomel]

I'm sorry, what does the CyberTruck have to do with the conversation, or their fairly obvious progression in actuation, or progression in making a nice humanoid platform for machine learning use, or Da Vinci?

[FireBeyond]

It means the gap between what Musk promises will be available, and the cost thereof, versus the reality of what is available, when, and for how much, is "rather sizable" at times.

[angoragoats]

> And, I don't think comparing the two is logical, for price (Da Vinci is $2,000,000), end goal (the 500kg Da Vinci will never walk across the room and pick up a box), or even degrees of freedom.

How much does a Tesla robot cost and where can I buy one?

[iancmceachern]

You don't know what they're working on. If anyone can design a robot that does that, it's them, or Boston dynamics

[TheLoafOfBread]

Baseline is able bodied human which Optimus is supposed to replace on manufacturing line.

[nomel]

Engineering doesn't ever involve starting with a final product. We're witnessing progression, nothing more nothing less. Progression can be observed and "appreciated", on its own. Working towards something "neat" is the modus operandi of most users here, and for some of us, seeing others working towards something "neat" is fun to watch.

[angoragoats]

I agree with this sentiment, and would likely 100% agree in this particular case if this were being done by some brand new startup. But at this point, Tesla's history is so littered with broken promises, truth-stretching, and outright lies that by default I treat any new announcement from them not only as marketing theater, but as a deliberate attempt to actively deceive.