[joshfee]

I just spun up a self hosted instance this past weekend, and while its fairly decent it doesn't seem to hit the mark compared to Notion (which I use at my day job). There's just a bit too much friction in creating pages (you need to click "publish" on every page you create), no /page command to quickly jump into a nested page, and.

I'm more excited by Affine (https://affine.pro/), though their self hosting support seems to be neglected, and it has the same "not actually open source" issue as Outline.

[tommoor]

Improving how drafts work is near the top of the roadmap, one of Outline's main value props is it's speed –so definitely want to reduce the friction here.

[msk-lywenn]

Very interesting! I wonder how much friction there would be in migrating the data from outline to affine.

Have you tried affine? If you did, how is the performance? Something I like a lot with outline is that it's super reactive and fast, even on low end servers or clients. Only the startup time is bad.

What do they mean by "neglected self host"? Is it just because the docker packages are not up to date? Can't we just build and run what's on github?