[willsmith72]

I actually loved it. I had never learned so much or shipped so quickly and reliably.

And then I moved teams... And realised it's all about the people and culture around you.

I probably wouldn't sign up for it again when joining a new company, because at its worst it's absolute torture, but I still believe that at its best there's nothing like it.

[michaelcampbell]

You both can be right. It can be the best way for you, and it can also be utterly exhausting for them.

Personally, I'm not willing to get rid of _all_ my comfort zone to get something out the door more efficiently, where shareholders and C-levels get rich off my labor, and if I'm very lucky, I get to keep doing that.

[willsmith72]

Well if I saw my work life like that, why improve any system or take any initiative on anything?

I like working in teams with ownership over their outcomes, and reward for their success

[michaelcampbell]

Sure, but I can only enjoy so many free pizzas.