[otabdeveloper4]

> if you want to haul enough groceries to feed a family for more than one or two meals, or if you want to transport other people who may be too old or young

This is a "once a week" situation. As time goes on it will become increasingly hard to justify the cost of something you use once a week, especially when other options (groceries delivery) are cheaper and more convenient.

P.S. Scooters are popular because they don't need skill to ride, despite being worse in other respects. As time goes on this, too, will change; learning to ride some sort of PEV will be normal.

[Geisterde]

How many "once a week" situations do you have? I go out to breakfast most weekends with my spouse. Which one of us should ride on the spokes when its 20° out? Do we have to drive seprately now?

[otabdeveloper4]

We use our car once every one or two weeks. (I'm not in the USA.)

[nradov]

Grocery delivery sucks. You have to order too far ahead, actual delivery time is too unpredictable, you can't personally inspect the items, and sometimes you get inappropriate substitutions. Any suggestion of grocery delivery as a substitute for cars is just totally disconnected from reality.

Americans will continue driving to Costco. There is no conceivable future where this minor transportation cost becomes hard to justify, especially when you factor in the cost savings of buying in bulk.

[ghaff]

Grocery delivery is neither cheaper nor more convenient as a general rule. I've only used it once in the past 20 years when I was on crutches and doing a full grocery shopping was awkward.

[otabdeveloper4]

Grocery delivery is cheaper because they save on real estate costs. (You can keep most of your stock in a warehouse with only a small area for walk-in service.)

This is already happening where I live, because it makes economic sense. (They can sell upscale and more varied groceries without paying for upscale real estate.)

[gmac]

YMMV. For me in the UK — where all supermarkets except the discounters will deliver cheaply — it's ENORMOUSLY more convenient: it saves me hours a week that I'd otherwise spend at a supermarket.

[dredmorbius]

It is where land-use patterns are appropriate to it, see: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39002203>.

[adrianN]

I use it regularly as it costs only a few euros to get my groceries delivered and I can do my shopping from the couch in ten minutes.