[antonvs]

> Host it yourself.

If you're actually using the features of cloud - i.e. managed services - then this involves building out an IT department with skills that many companies just don't have. And the cost of that will easily negate or exceed any savings, in many cases.

That's a big reason that the choice of cloud became such a no brainer for companies.

[sgarland]

Next you’ll tell me that full-stack is a lie, and devs don’t actually know how to run a DB.

[blantonl]

Maybe I don't want to manage a db, I just want to run one.

[xboxnolifes]

Full stack is a lie because devs don't build their own hardware.

[sgarland]

I don’t think it’s that ridiculous (the next obvious goalpost being producing your own silicon), but since microservices means your DB is purely for your service, it stands to reason that you should also then know how to configure, backup, maintain, and tune the DB.

This is of course a wildly unrealistic ask, which is why I think the idea of merging jobs to save money is stupid. Let people who like frontend do frontend. Let people who like DBs do DBs. Let people who tolerate YAML do DevOps.