Sex is not immoral. Fuck everyone who thinks it is and imposes that belief on others. People who impose those beliefs on others as a tool to ruin lives and careers should be in prison.
Depends on your definition of moral. In my book what is moral is what is an action or an attitude which is good for the whole society or at least living well in society.
The problem with sex is that its nature is EXCLUSIONNARY: sexual desire is made in part to discriminate who is the more fit or not to reproduce, especially among males. Historically only 60% men reproduced and 80% women... A HUGE LOT of people and especially men are not accesing sex on a regular basis.
In that sense you can't say porn / OF etcc are 'moral' in any way shape of form I think. There are actually many places in the world / religions that promote the idea that REGULATING sex (especially women's sex life) is the MORAL thing (since it allow a 'better' repartition of sex and reproduction in the society, especially for men).
I don't agree with any of it (and 100% share your point of view), but it's important to discuss the underlying reasons of what you observe in societies.. at least to better fight it.
Sounds like you want to impose your beliefs on others through threats of ruining lives and careers via the prison system... seems hypocritical to your otherwise live and let live (fuck and let fuck?) position.
I accept your clarification but your original comment was pretty specific to certain set of beliefs of a certain set of people, with a very specific punishment.
I don’t feel like you are making a genuine argument in good faith, as the alternative is literally anarchy. I would still be happier with that situation than the current oppressive regime, but come on… is that really what you are suggesting?
Yes, without naming it, because people (as you demonstrate) immediately presume anarchy === bad/chaos/disorder. All Anarchy means is No Kings, not No Order. In fact, anarchy allows for a type of emergent, bottom up order that cannot ever happen by top-down fiat mandate. It permits all (consensual, private property respecting) beliefs.
It does Not prevent someone else from disapproving of your actions (making porn), but it Does ensure that their response is limited only to their property/sphere of influence.
Anarchy has many different schools of thought. For those curious or intrigued, I'd recommend The Anarchist Handbook by Machael Malice. It contains a collection of writings from many different anarchist thinkers, from the violent dynamite throwers to the peaceful libertarians.
He's also got a podcast and has been on plenty of other podcasts, news shows, etc if you want video content.
As he says: "the black flag comes in many colors."
Porn is about the commodification of sex though, not about sex itself. You are also giving the worst interpretation possible, arguing it's "a tool to ruin lives and careers", which is very much not the point.
The problem with sex is that its nature is EXCLUSIONNARY: sexual desire is made in part to discriminate who is the more fit or not to reproduce, especially among males. Historically only 60% men reproduced and 80% women... A HUGE LOT of people and especially men are not accesing sex on a regular basis.
In that sense you can't say porn / OF etcc are 'moral' in any way shape of form I think. There are actually many places in the world / religions that promote the idea that REGULATING sex (especially women's sex life) is the MORAL thing (since it allow a 'better' repartition of sex and reproduction in the society, especially for men).
I don't agree with any of it (and 100% share your point of view), but it's important to discuss the underlying reasons of what you observe in societies.. at least to better fight it.