[flippy_flops]

If AE is your desired career path then buckle up… it’s a cut throat sh*t storm of putrid culture and gross mismanagement. Anything different is an exception.

I disagree this is (definitely) a layoff. She makes a good case for not having any sales yet, but we simply don’t have any facts. Do other AEs hired at the same time have sales? Did she have leads that should have closed?

Cloudflare did her wrong, no doubt. At the very least, Cloudflare should give her feedback on why she was let go.

But my advice to her is to expect more of the same nonsense if she continues to be an AE.

More unsolicited advice… when I argue with someone, I have to pause and determine, “what are they actually capable of doing in this situation?” Those HR people couldn’t answer any of her questions. So you can either (A) ask for something that is possible, (B) make them as miserable as you, (C) finish the conversation.

[reaperman]

> More unsolicited advice… when I argue with someone, I have to pause and determine, “what are they actually capable of doing in this situation?” Those HR people couldn’t answer any of her questions.

I agree with you. But with just 10 minutes of preparation she at least partially knew that her audience was wider than just the participants.

[greatgib]

Even if they are not in a position to change anything, it is still always good to make them feel uncomfortable so that the task is not too easy!

[joshSzep]

That's pretty psychopathic in my opinion

[Dylan16807]

No more than getting an outsider to do your firing for you, and taking that job is just as bad. It should be uncomfortable for them regardless of what the employee does.