[theonemind]

People generate all of the data going into the system and then the middle-men (OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, Big Tech middle-man of the week) reap a disproportinate centralized benefit. That causes a bigger problem than the so-called rent-seeking behavior of copyright holders in this case, as this has the net effect of leveraging human creativity, etc. to devalue it and continue the erosion of the middle class.

Bad things happen when you let middlemen get the upper hand, like the American health care system, or big finance disconnected from the real economy. I'll vote against the middleman every time in favor of the original value creator, because society goes down the toliet when middlemen win.

[hyperhopper]

What is the alternative though? I agree with the feelings and sentiments of the anti-ai people that want it to pay copyright, but I never hear any considerations for what comes next.

This is going to end up being the music industry all over again. It's going to be impossible for any individuals or small companies to get the rights needed, and instead were going to get massive content labels selling the rights, or only giant corporations being able to hop through all these new hoops.

We don't want a repeat of that as a society, creating yet another leeching middleman and horrible industry favoring only the incumbents.

[hyperbovine]

I don’t see it ending like that. LLMs will just be taught not to emit copyrighted content verbatim. Whatever the courts end up deciding, they’ll be trained to stay just this side of legal. I’m certain it’s already being worked on.

[mjburgess]

Yes, when I read "rent-seeking" i assume OP meant OpenAI.

Google search at least was just a link to content we wrote. OpenAI just steals it.

[__loam]

OP was obviously referring to the copyright holders whose data he feels so entitled to.

[CuriouslyC]

Open models are a thing. Rather than attacking the technology (which is great) with litigation to hurt a few bad actors, we should attack the capitalist rules that enables rent seeking middle man parasites to flourish.

[verisimi]

Yes. If you think about it, the individual is being subjected to a man in the middle attack, cleaving a creator from their creation via the use of consent agreements for providing a platform. Rent seeking.