[teddyh]

The problem is people at large companies creating these AI models, wanting the freedom to copy artists’ works when using it, but these large companies also want to keep copyright protection intact, for their regular business activities. They want to eat the cake and have it too. And they are arguing for essentially eliminating copyright for their specific purpose and convenience, when copyright has virtually never been loosened for the public’s convenience, even when the exceptions the public asks for are often minor and laudable. If these companies were to argue that copyright should be eliminated because of this new technology, I might not object. But now that they come and ask… no, they pretend to already have, a copyright exception for their specific use, I will happily turn around and use their own copyright maximalist arguments against them.

(Copied from a comment of mine written over a year ago: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33582047>)

[kolinko]

> these large companies also want to keep copyright protection intact, for their regular business activities

Care to share an example? I didn't hear of OpenAI or anyone else arguing or trying to sue anyone for abusing the copyright. If anything, their business decisions rely on an assumption that copyright will not help them protect their work

[bamboozled]

Prime example for you right here:

https://nypost.com/2023/12/18/business/openai-suspends-byted...

100% pure unadulterated hypocrisy from "OpenAI".

[kolinko]

T&C yes, but not copyright. This is fully consistent with them opposing copyright and not opposing paywalls/api limitations.

[misnome]

Don't they have an explicit T&C that says you are not allowed to use their output for training other models?

[kolinko]

T&C yes, but not copyright.

[teddyh]

I was mostly thinking of large companies also creating their own AI, like Google, Microsoft, etc.

[layer8]

If their model was leaked, you can be sure they’d claim copyright protection on it.

[kolinko]

I wanted to say that they are to smart to expect dmca to protect them.

But then, I think that surely they would use copyright to block competition from using their model directly.