[naremu]

Well quite frankly, saying "the claim that these are lies are just as disingenuous as the claims themselves" is a pretty low quality, classic stick-in-the-spokes "debate" tactic that essentially hand waves the ball back in the other person's court with minimal effort or contribution or real debate and puts maximum onus on someone else in public in the "flow" of discourse.

This is "great" for televised debates but this is kind of passive aggressive for the tone people prefer here. We're talking to people here. More directly than a formal debate.

Someone participating earnestly knows they are capable of either politely expressing interest and asking for sources, or as another mentioned: typing and clicking all by themselves.

[fsflover]

> saying "the claim that these are lies are just as disingenuous as the claims themselves"

I didn't say that, but I do think that providing links is helpful.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

quote: simply saying they're lies is just as disingenuous as the people making the statements in the first place

paraphrase: the claim that these are lies are just as disingenuous as the claims themselves

claim: I didn't say that

I confess that I can't quite see the difference.

[fsflover]

I'm not @jairuhme.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

Ah, entirely fair point! :) Sorry about that.